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DaveM #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Reminds me of the Prof of Statistics several years ago who took eight prophecies relating to the life of Jesus. All were from OT writings where there is general agreement that they dated back at least 400 years before Christ. He then gave his senior class an exercise to calculate the probability of all eight being fulfilled in one person. They came up with a figure of 1:10^17. So perhaps another seven prophecies from you would be in order.

The results were published in a respected journal. So clearly his methodology was considered acceptable.

There were of course over 30 prophecies fulfilled in the last week of Christ's life alone.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Hasn't anyone ever told you that by sin the worst possible genetic fault...death...came into the world and that all genetic faults spring from it. That is how we can be certain that following Jesus Christ's righteous science we can pay back for (repair) our sins.

Time to start listening to the science that everything is a manifestation of the same scientific cause...God's fountain of living waters---or if you prefer...God's 'dynamic energy'. A property that stares us in the face every day by virtue of our very own star.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

You could be right...but time-travel isn't so very difficult. You see...if we take our lead from Almighty God we know that in the static dimension a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day. So there we have it...if we want to slip around time and space all we have to do is become stationary whilst the Milky Way hurtles away from us at the speed of the expanding universe...and, it seems, many observers have witnessed this principle in action.

Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

I read once of someone claiming that photons from the sun could be responsible for many of the mutations in DNA which are needed to drive the process of evolution. If this is correct, then I must assume that God can aim these photons with a precision beyond our understanding.

Sassy #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

The OT was the covenant with the Jews not Christians.
It was for people in a different country at a different time. And no matter what you call this thread you cannot use it to poke at subjects that are nothing to do with the Lords Prayer.

There is no mind set to condemn or defend. That was that covenant. But today for Christians they cannot be homosexual in practice because the body is to be used for Gods Glory not mans lusts or to sin in any way.
Christ is for Christians and homosexuality is for homosexuals.  Christians are not allowed to take part in any sexual behaviour considered sin. They cannot sleep with prostitutes and they have to remain in unity with God.

So not really anything to do with Christianity is it?

The Great Vladini #fundie religionethics.co.uk

You are discounting linguistic imperialism. Which is naïve (because of Krauss IMHO) and a little hypocritical vis the conflict definition of marriage. Where a new definition seeks destruction of an old definition.

Dawkins, Krauss and Dennett to me seek to impose their definitions and destroy all other ideas and definition.IMHO. Memetics is a case in point since it is an exercise in the subduction of other sociological ideas in the interest of the New Atheist portfolio.

Spud #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

So you have, I am sorry to hear about your experience. I have had an experience with a homosexual that was probably as bad. This guy befriended me at a church when I was new to the area. Not knowing his sexuality I thought him very pleasant, and was intrigued that someone could be so friendly. Well, eventually we discussed relationships, and he told me about a previous one he had had, and that it was with a man. My approach as a Christian was to stay friends with him but make it clear that I believed that was wrong. His approach was to get me in a headlock and force me to say it is not wrong.
Homosexuals are not harmless, they are mentally ill and can be dangerous, just like pedophiles. Read the account of Sodom and Gomorrah for more evidence.
Regarding their rehabilitation. If I had continued to live near to this person I hope I would have forgiven him and remained friends. As it was I moved away and didn't want to stay in contact. However, I know a chap who has had homosexual attraction but is a Christian and has coped with it while remaining celibate. This is due to support from his church. I do not know any pedophiles, but have read an article online written by one, who claims he is also celibate and never molests children. I will try and find a link. But people here who claim all pedophiles do not want to be cured are clearly wrong; neither do they know the power of prayer.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Well bluehillside...you don't deny that the Holy Bible exists do you?

So point one is that it does exist and it is filled with wonderful messages, with wonderful promises to those who can gently see through all the brain washing and misinformation of those who choose not to believe in it. It's all there...in that sacred writing plus many other wonderful claims.

Among those claims is the one where God says...through Isaiah, that all the stars are made from a wonderful dynamic energy or God's Mighty Power...now, 4000 years later, we find that scientists are saying everything is energy and it is blatantly obvious that all the stars are electric furnaces performing electrical manoeuvres that are yet not fully understood.

I can help...but I will do it in my own time...or rather, as I feel inspired to tell you.

Science says that all the fundamental forces in the universe must unify into one set of reasoning...well there it is, in black and white...Almighty God is the pivot point from where all this complex stuff has unification...but Jesus Christ showed us more than just science...he taught the mechanics behind resurrection and I am afraid you will have to humble yourself a little to come even close. So here are 3 very good reasons why you should believe in Jesus Christ and Almighty God...the 4th is Wormwood.

Spud #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

It is true that the prohibition of same sex marriage would be inequality, if we assume that homosexuals who say they would never be attracted to someone of the opposite sex, know themselves fully and are correct (some do experience a change whereby this can happen).
However, even if it is inequality, and I peronally think we shouldn't assume they can never love someone if the opposite sex, there are people who for legal reasons have to accept inequality of marriage. So the question is, why should we propose that homosexuals be prohibited from marrying someone of the same sex - is there good reason to deny this to them as we would do with an already married person, for example?
An already married person would be acting unjustly towards his or her spouse and children if they married another person, unless their spouse had been unfaithful.
I can only speak from personal experience. Others may have had a similar experience, and so may understand what my point is.
I once fell in love with someone who I found out was a lesbian. Basically, there was a sense of injustice that she would love a female rather than me. I felt that I had been wronged. The feeling was different from times when a girl I had been attracted to had loved another guy. In thise instances, the feeling was disappointment but not that I had been wronged.
If you asked me to articulate why I felt it was an injustice, I would have to work through the reason. But because of that experience, I believe that it is not right to allow people to marry someone of the same sex.
Maybe this is why God says that homosexual relationships should be avoided. He made marriage for opposite sex couples - I dont agree that there is any room for interpretation of the Bible otherwise

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

One of the key Biblical principles is that we all have genetic faults and by soothing and calming our genetic health via God's Love, Dynamic Energy, Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...we can address those problems in a scientific/Biblical way.

Sassy #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Well, if you knew anything about Jesus, you would know what you do leaves no possibility for anyone to be proud of you. Pride has no part in Christianity. But what would you a teenager know about Christianity. You just had your BACKSIDE spanked and your face is as red as you bum.

Emergence - The Musical #fundie religionethics.co.uk

The range of alternatives for how the universe either came about or eternally is was given. None are susceptible to scientific investigation and are therefore supernatural.

That seems to cover everything. Care to disagree without getting into the circularity of scientism?

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk


Atheists and Christians:

If a new science is correct it should be able to go to places that current science can’t—and explain phenomenon previously inexplicable. That is what I will touch on now.

I have chosen four topics of mystery, which, if looked at down the microscope of my science, cease to be so mysterious. They are all elements of the same mystery and are stepping stones, one to the other—and ultimately, stepping stones to evolution, and, to Almighty God.

These are—Poltergeist; Time Warps; The Bermuda Triangle; UFOs.

Whenever these mysteries are reported they are always linked to strange, electrical aberrations. There is a reason for this—as we will see.

Gravity is the stuff that holds things together—but its strength isn’t fixed. That strength can fluctuate.

Wherever these aberrations are found, gravity is being disturbed, and another set of rules come into play. You see, unbeknownst to us, we are all traveling at the speed of the expanding universe—which is pretty fast—and any break, or reduction in the gravitational strength around us, can send us into another dimension, a static dimension, divorced from the speed of the expanding universe and, the conflicts this engages, gives off these amazing effects people sometimes witness.

Further proof we are all living in a strange, electrical universe.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Now we have established that mass is restructured energy and is prone to some very predictable, calculable, behaviour patterns, we can look away from the singularity that science says installed it all inside every single atom, in such a wonderful and graceful way, and, to find true answers, we must consult the Holy Bible...God's superabundant, invisible, indestructible, dynamic energy, that structured these atoms in such a divine way that they obey the precise laws of chemistry, electricity, physics, and righteousness...and it all revolves around the higgs-field, Stranger.

The higgs-field is a semi-portal into the primary dimension of the universe...As tiny as it is it holds all the energy within an atom together. The slightest hint of such a hole created within the swirling and crashing internal forces of a star is sufficient to suck-in energy from all directions in measured amounts because in a single gush, in less than a nanosecond, the hole that holds them becomes stable and excess energy is swept away causing the higgs-hole to pulse and suck in more energy until the higgs is captured and retained in the atom it just formed, for our future electric experiments. The higgs is kinda sprung-loaded in its stability but interference with that stability exposes the force of the higgs creating magnetism, chemistry, the speed of light, and ohms law...all dependant upon how we are looking at the problem.

So, in all our sciences there is a higgs story and the most compelling of these is how gravity, higgs, magnetism, electricity, living-cells, and righteousness, all work together, hand in hand with each other.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk


Calculations don't have to be mathematical. They just have to be logical and work over and over again.

Here is one of my calculations...That all the mechanics of the universe are a powerful reaction between the conflicts of two, separate, dimensional forces. This includes gravity, the Higgs, electromagnetic force and life itself. Now, you can show your disregard for the owner of these forces as much as you want but it will not snatch away that ownership and it will not bring you the wonderful fruits they offer...which includes resurrection.

Spud #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Sorry - what I mean is: strictly speaking nothing should exist, because matter does not create itself. Something outside the laws of nature must have been operating in order for matter to come into existence. So if you accept that you exist, you should also accept that something exists outside the laws of nature, and possibly, therefore, that those laws can be interrupted, as in the case of miracles.

Spud #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

Unfortunately, Rhi, the Bible does say that people who practise homosexuality are not in God's kingdom. This is stated in 1 Cor 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:10. So that answers Sassy's point, and means that Christians need to abstain from this as they would abstain from adultery - if they want to be living for God. The passage in acts where the apostles decided which aspects of the Mosaic law needed to be kept by Gentile believers, is to do with those things that God prohibited in Leviticus 17 and 18 which applied to Israelites and non Israelites living with them. The connection should be clear.
But in answer to your second point: yes, people desire sex and that desire is essential to continuing the human race. But there are obvious limits beyomd which the sexual instinct needs to be restrained, and one of those is with homosexual urges. There is a reflex in men which deals with excess build up of sperm. Therefore there is no biological requirement for a man to have sex with another person. I don't know if the equivalent happens with women, and the OT mentions nocturnal emissions as being normal and not sinful. I think the area I need to think through more is how homosexual relationships cause harm. I was friends with a gay bloke and a lesbian at one time, and I was aware that I was personally affected by their homosexuality, because I fancied the lesbian and the bloke fancied me... A right muddle!

NicholasMarks #conspiracy religionethics.co.uk

The Living-Cell

From the perspective of an All Electric Universe we can relook at all science and explore new avenues of thought that might lead to some exciting discoveries. That is what I propose doing here, using the living-cell as a model to guide us into a deeper understanding about the All-Electric Universe.

The living cell follows a number of patterns of behaviour. It can replicate itself—It can perform chemical tasks. It embraces atoms like long lost cousins. It is superabundant, being that trillions upon trillions of them are functioning in their many tasks at any one moment in time. They can go wrong—get stuck, in a circular pattern, which goes wild and uncontrollable, replicating in a fury, whilst not being controlled by any useful genetic patterning —and it can carry genetic information from one generation to the next—a tall order for one so small.

They each have science foxed, but not if we introduce an all-electric universe that obeys certain rules, and harnessing those rules for our own benefit—a must, for any who want to improve their health.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk


What is God’s Evolution??

When we have placed Almighty God on the highest pinnacle over all the spiritual/electric laws behind Creation and shown that Jesus Christ had a full understanding of his father’s spiritual/electric laws we can take a deeper look at these electric laws to answer questions that we can’t seem to get answers to very easily—questions such as—What is evolution??

Evolution appears to have exploded in the early days after this planet became suitable for life and then it tailed off—Why??

It seems to have moulded and fashioned all species around the environment that became its home—Why??

It branched into male and female—Why??

Except for the human race, which prefers stodge and stale food, the creatures of evolution survive by eating fresh, hewly deceased, living cells, which they hunt and track and have developed specialised senses to enable capture—Why??

Well—there is only one set of answers that explain it as it is presented to us—and that is what I want to discuss here because genetic repair is the direct opposite of genetic damage and Jesus Christ knew all about this without any doubt. A key principle being that reaching out for various needs alters the genetic code reinforced by the simple fact that reaching out for Jesus Christ alters it to.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Your refusal to accept that we are living in an electric/spiritual universe where all the laws of physics have at their root electric/spiritual laws means you will have difficulty with anything I say. The fact that any religion exists at all is testimony that people suspect they have an electric/spiritual nature and try to express it in many different ways...but...the laws of physics that unify all the electric spiritual fundamental laws leads us to just one conclusion...the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ is the accurate teaching.

Spud #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

This is in line with the thread topic, because I am thinking in the context of Christian families who care about the people in society and are willing to take risks in order to help them. As an example, a few male friends who shared a house together took in someone who was an alcoholic. They let him live in their house and encouraged him for some time and he gradually got back into work and living a normal life. If someone can come off alcohol or drugs, then surely a person with homosexual or pedophile-type tendencies can be turned around if they express a desire to do so.
There was something on the news recently about the Spanish prison system. They have much better facilities for rehabilitation, and a much lower proportion of those released re-offend than in Britain.
I guess what I want to get across is that when a person loses something they think of as part of them, for example the freedom to express the desire to molest children (it being illegal), they need something to fill that hole. It can be a hobby or a friendship, something to take away the urges. Sometimes they will surface again but over time an offender can learn how to deal with unwanted desires and live a healthy lifestyle.
In churches where there is real conviction that homosexuality is against God's will, you will find individuals with the gift of helping people struggling in that area; they know how to support them, pray for them and help them change their lifestyle. A lot of it is about not being judgmental when they sometimes fall back into it, recognizing that change doesn't happen overnight.
You said, "How can any of that compare to homosexual relationships between consenting adults?  It is rather an insulting comparison in my opinion."
It depends on what you read. I have found literature which tells a different story about homosexual lifestyles from what one normally hears. You just have to read Shaker's post above to see that he is unwilling to see anything negative about them, or admit that they cause harm. Personally, one look at the biological evidence makes it quite clear that homosexual sex is nothing other than destructive.
We will see eventually whether or not the West's acceptance of homosexuality makes it stronger. It has been interesting to see how the USA and NATO were powerless to do anything about Russia's recent involvement in Syria.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.

NicholasMarks #fundie #magick religionethics.co.uk

Remember that the field of energy that will become the star already exists and the speed of the expanding universe which fires up all scientific data has already been created. This whole body of star energy is locked upon a black-hole that brought this dense virgin star material into a tight gravitational body. All we need is the swirling, crashing forces, within that star's density, to penetrate down into the static dimension, and in the blink of any eye an atom is born...manifest this a trillion, trillion, times, and I reckon a fully functioning star could form in an instant and in that same instant, all knowledge within the universe gained its scientific roots which all centre upon Almighty God, just as Jesus Christ taught us...and the two part-atom components that gave birth to the living-cell, having derived from a similar birth pattern, is party to all of this.

Sriram #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

Hi everyone,

1. First of all....I know people usually tend to take extreme emotional stands rather than a balanced stand. So..the first and immediate argument seems to be to accuse a person of bigotry and hatred of homosexuals. That is wrong. I have no hatred of homosexuals and do not believe that they are sinners or whatever. I believe in letting them live their lives.

2. The comparison of homosexuality with left handedness is moronic at best. Is left handedness abnormal...yes... of course it is! But it is of no consequence and no one gives a damn if someone writes with his left hand instead of the right.

Similarly,is homosexuality abnormal...yes..of course it is! Problem is that it also has serious consequences. Ever heard of survival instinct, procreation instinct and survival of the species?! ::)

If more and more people become left handed nothing will happen. But if more and more people become homosexuals...the human race will be eliminated. So..would the lot of you please stop making such inane comparisons! Thanks!

So...now you know why homosexuality is abnormal. It goes against basic survival and propagation of the species. Should I repeat that?!

3. This is where the research to find reasons for homosexuality becomes relevant. Nobody does any research to find out why a person is heterosexual, by the way!! That is normal and that's the way nature has made us evolve.

If research establishes (as it seems to be doing) that epigenetics is the reason for homosexuality and they do find some treatment...it should be welcomed.....and those who choose to get the treatment should be freely allowed to.

Why the lot of you are hollering on about parents abusing their children is really beyond me!! Shocking! Propagation of the species is a fundamental instinct and parents have a right to expect that their children will procreate and take good care of the offspring.

4. Why all this is such an emotional issue is also beyond me. You people here claim to be very scientific minded (though most of you hardly know any real science, let me add).... but nothing of it is seen here. Everyone is going on and on about it as though it is a battle for dominance. LOL!

Its like some brainwashed or programmed response from most people. Almost the same words, the same examples, the same arguments, the same anger, the same accusations. Like some cult members! Some psychologists really need to do some research on this strange phenomenon.....seriously!

5. I also think perhaps atheism and homosexuality are somehow linked. I know religious people could also be homosexuals and atheists could also be heterosexuals... but someone really needs to check the connection. Maybe its the same genes/epigenes that are responsible for both.

Or maybe given the rigid Christian theology...homosexuals prefer to become atheists. That is also possible.

Sassy #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

That is RUBBISH. Homophobia is an invented word. It is about personal choice and belief and to disagree without any dislike, hatred or even bias is not homophobia.
You could say atheist are christianphobics. Do you hate Christians because you disagree with their beliefs?
So STOP making excuses and making Christians to be different to others who disagree with someone elses beliefs.

Russian and other countries like Uganda are against homosexuality full stop.
Today people can move if the country they live in does not allow the the freedom to partake in homosexual acts.

What if you had to sleep with another man to prove you were not homophobic?>
You see it isn't natural to some they have no sexual feelings or emotional feelings towards the same sex as they do the opposite sex. Does that make them homophobic? You will support homosexiality as long as you are not made to participate.
The same for many people but why try and make someone who does not feel it is natural say it is.
Because basically there is a difference between accepting homosexcuality for others and accepting it to be right for yourself.

I am sick of the argument and finger pointing when people are seen as homophobic to the limitation of what they accept.
You do not accept it is right for you. You would hate to be forced or co-hersed into doing homosexual sex.
Do not confuse natural rejection of choice to be homosexual and feel it right with those who are just blatant bigots and would harm someone who is homosexual. Do not include all Christian groups in such outright and deliberate bias.

Spud #fundie #homophobia religionethics.co.uk

Yes I was thinking out loud. Perhaps not with the view to an eventual marriage, then. Except in cases where the child is sexually mature but not old enough by law to marry.

In the case I suggested, it wouldn't be with a view to future marriage, then, and the child wouldn't be told about the pedophile's condition. Forming a friendship with the child but without any physical contact might be therapeutic for the pedophile, in that it would help him learn how to relate to children in the right way. You would have to have the parents' involvement of course. I'm not sure how else you could treat a pedophile for pedophilia.

The only other option would be for them to avoid all contact with children, which would not be achieving as much as if they found they could eventually relate to children socially without needing to go further.

Relating this to homosexuality, it is clear to me that for Christians homosexual practices are forbidden. So I am interested in ways that could help homosexuals to change.

The issue is of course, does it harm anyone. Aside from the obvious harm caused by sodomy, there is the psychological harm to both involved. There is loss of masculinity (in men who treat another man as if female, or behave effeminately) or loss of femininity (in women). I think this is swept under the carpet by people who refer to them as "harmless".

NicholasMarks #crackpot religionethics.co.uk

I have discovered a property that you have all stumbled past and ignored but which is proving to be the most important ingredient in our daily lives deserves scientific merit. Just by noticing it when every other scientist has walked past it gives me scientific credentials but to put it to work...soothing and calming it within many hosts is very scientific indeed, then to unify the fundermental forces of nature by following stepping-stone and proven scientific data, gives me great scientific credibility...but, of course, it is early days yet...and there is much work to be done.


Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

(in reply to a post mentioning the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon. https://www.damninteresting.com/the-baader-meinhof-phenomenon/)

My own experience of this:
One morning I read this article extract which had been published in an old magazine:

Turks expanded their empire westward on land, and asserted their naval power in the Mediterranean. In 1565 they attacked Malta, envisioning an eventual invasion of Rome. Though repelled at Malta, the Turks captured Cyprus in the fall of 1570.

The next year, three Catholic powers on the continent – Genoa, Spain, and the Papal States - formed an alliance called the Holy League, to defend their Christian civilization against Turkish invasion. Its fleets sailed to confront the Turks near the west coast of Greece on October 7, 1571.

Crew members on more than 200 ships prayed the Rosary in preparation for the battle - as did Christians throughout Europe, encouraged by the Pope to gather in their churches to invoke the Virgin Mary against the daunting Turkish forces.

Some accounts say that Pope Pius V was granted a miraculous vision of the Holy League's stunning victory. Without a doubt, the Pope understood the significance of the day's events, when he was eventually informed that all but 13 of the nearly 300 Turkish ships had been captured or sunk. He was moved to institute the feast now celebrated universally as Our Lady of the Rosary.

“Turkish victory at Lepanto would have been a catastrophe of the first magnitude for Christendom,” wrote military historian John F. Guilmartin, Jr., “and Europe would have followed a historical trajectory strikingly different from that which obtained.”

I had never heard of the battle of Lepanto before, and that same day I attended Mass where the priest gave a sermon about the battle of Lepanto and the power of the Holy Rosary. And yes, I do believe that this was a divine reminder to me that I should pray more often, because we all underestimate the power of prayer.

Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Interesting reflection from today's Lenten reading:

One of the key visuals in the story of the Transfiguration is the divine light that radiates from Jesus. Matthew says, “His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light.” Luke reports, “His clothes became as bright as a flash of lightning.” And Mark says, “His clothes became dazzling white, whiter than anyone in the world could bleach them.”

This light seems to signal the beauty and radiance of a world beyond this one, a world rarely seen, and only occasionally glimpsed, amidst the griminess and ordinariness of this world.

Is this beautiful and radiant world ever seen today? Let me share a few stories with you. When I was traveling recently, I met a man who, as a young man, encountered St. Padre Pio, the famous stigmatist. He was privileged to serve his Mass. During the elevation of the host, after the consecration, this man noticed something remarkable: there was a glow around the holy man’s hands. Years later when he heard reports of “auras” he said to himself, “That’s what I saw that day.”

Malcolm Muggeridge, the English journalist and convert to Catholicism, was filming Mother Teresa for a documentary. One day, the electricity was out, and he bemoaned the fact that he had to film her without lights, convinced that the day would be lost. But when the film was developed, he noticed that the scenes were beautifully lit, and it appeared as though the light was coming from her.

And I know this might be a bit of a stretch, but there is scientific speculation that the marks on the shroud of Turin, the holy icon thought by many to be the burial shroud of Christ, were caused by a burst of radiant energy—light energy.

From the time of the earliest disciples, the holy followers of Jesus were pictured with halos above their heads. What is a halo if it is not the divine light breaking into our world today?

NicholasMark #fundie religionethics.co.uk


Moving on with the science behind Jesus Christ’ electric/spiritual universe—we should now know that in the beginning, represented here by the righteous ‘word’ of Almighty God—we now have the entire universe responding to some powerful shock-waves created by the very first radio signals, amplifying outwards, the product of the collision force of two, dense cores, themselves the centres of two dynamic clouds of indestructible dynamic energy, of which there were already trillions that had been drifting around the great void of space for all eternity.

The consequences of this, was, that all of these mass-less clouds were hurtling outward at the speed of the expanding universe and all spinning up into terrible hurricane storms. Some clouds crashed into other clouds creating a galaxy with a slightly different footprint but the norm would lead to spiral-galaxies with a massive black-hole at their centre—representing the surviving remnant of the power-house that created all the stars that were to be processed by it.

Something very strange was taking place because lying on top of that static pre-big-bang dimension of the universe was now a high-speed dimension and laws that had never existed previously were about to be born.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Hi, Sweet Pea—I do things the way I do them because it is at the behest of Almighty God and his much loved son, Jesus Christ, and like the watchman who is equally guilty if he doesn’t notify those he is watching over, of approaching dangers, when something sinister is approaching, I don’t want to share in the guilt of the antichrist.

Every night now, at sunset, and for a number of months, there has been a huge red tint radiating across that area of sky—it lasts for about half an hour and it is causing quite a fuss on YouTube—but, true to form, it can only be seen by those who aren’t locked into the antichrist philosophy. Trentvoyager recognises its existence, whilst Seb can’t see it, on a night when it was particularly spectacular—check it out for yourself, and know that God’s Judgment is near.

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Two Gifts From God—(part 31)

It is a commonly known fact that the human body has two sides which have semi-independent responsibilities over each other. There is the LHS and the RHS and in a stroke one side can fail completely.
This can happen suddenly and without warning and is usually attributable to a blood-clot lodged in the brain. But why is the blood clotting and is this condition as sudden as it appears??

Not according to God’s righteous science—It has been building up for some time. From our early youth we have been squeezing our brains to get a greater response from it. We frown and squeeze it, thus hindering the natural circulation throughout the many journals that are a part of its make-up. At an early age we start having head-aches and migraines and slowly but surely we are closing down one side of the brain, as surely as if it was by the sudden attack of a blood clot, but this is slow and spreads over a number of years whilst all the glands, muscles, and thinking abilities, associated with a full blown stroke, are there, hidden from view, disguised in a numbness, and which requires urgent attention before the blood thickens up and begins to congeal.

As always, that urgent attention is captured within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ—His teaching is so accurate that we can apply maximum faith to it knowing that if we are beyond repair we will also have a share in the resurrection, and this is a great comforter too.

I call this a ‘silent stroke’—but it is much more far-reaching than is listed here.

—(to be continued)

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

                                  Matthew 24:29          Isaiah 13:10          Revelation 6:13.

To the franchise holder of God’s ‘Grand Unification of All the Universal Forces’ this line from the Holy Bible can only mean one thing—The planet Earth is going to break out of its gravitational moorings. Due to all the abuses inflicted upon it the planet will suddenly, and without warning, centrifugally lurch beyond its normal orbit and pass to a new orbital position leaving the moon and the sun behind, and giving the impression that the stars are falling to the Earth.

The clues are all around us—global warming—the global, atmospheric, trumpet sounds, that have no apparent cause—the earthquakes and sink-holes that spring out of nowhere—all given adequate account of on YouTube and are telling us of the stresses and strains the world is having to resist.

The trauma is well recorded in the surrounding Biblical verses giving us the indication that those who are well prepared for it in a righteous and enduring way will be able to cope best and will survive especially with the mechanics of resurrection in their favour.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

I will help you horsethorn because I am trained to get a point across to an intransigent mind. The scientific evidence is overwhelming—something is happening which defies normal scientific logic but burying our head is no longer an option. There is too much horror and terror in the world to ignore the fact that a higher authority has us in its sights—and there are many around the world whose first words will be—’Thank God.’

Ufos are a fact of life—take it or leave it. They work by doing what Bruce Gernon did only with a little more scientific input. They become divorced from the gravity that imprisons us and become universal wonderers via the 'static zone' alluded to in the opening post and thereby see the MilkyWay, in its entirety, zooming past them at the speed of the expanding universe and nowhere is beyond their reach.

The only authority that we know of that yields this sort of power is Almighty God and his manual, on good behaviour, delivered to us by Jesus Christ, will also deliver our own individual accreditation into his wonderful new system of things.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Evolution

So—Almighty God is the owner of all electrical laws. Now—I am sure you all can see that the laws that made electrons and protons, neutrons and photons, all the field forces that have to follow electrical laws and all the electromagnetic interactions, can be deemed to be—electric laws.

Almighty God, then, owns all these things and a very special set of electrical laws says, he is exactly who he says he is.

It is very difficult to explain things in the real terms that they happened because it is too advanced for us, but, as far as evolution is concerned—it is reaching out for vital, electrical nourishment, that alters the genetic code. If a giraffe needed to be taller to reach the only food available then the stretching of the appropriate muscles gave an electrical signal that achieved that end. This is epigenetics—and it is very prevalent within evolution.

Jesus Christ teaches us something from the same school of thought. By reaching out for righteousness we soothe and calm the genetics that evolution frustrates and we can begin to harness epigenetics in a helpful way.

Electrical laws then become spiritual laws because we are now following the refined version contained within the Gospels.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Everything I say is built on top of modern science so that every science beneath it is supported by it, but it also exposes the fact that the Holy Bible is brought to us from the same route as this unifying science which tells us how the universe came into existence, how atoms and atomic forces were born, how gravity works and how electromagnetism is the kicking force that is exposed when we jiggle around with these dimensional forces that hold the atomic particles together..i.e. the Higgs (imploding force) bosun.

So—via the Holy Bible and in particular the Gospels we are guided into this science via the most important aspect that it offers us. The emotional state of the human being—What drives it and how it can work without injury and how it can recover from injury to such an extent that everlasting life becomes possible—all achievable by the taking in of the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)

Jesus is telling us here that he was from another world—Heaven—and ‘world’ always means a planet and so we can deduce that 2000 years ago Jesus was part of a knowledge base that knew how to travel through space—a knowledge that we are becoming only too aware of now.

It seems everyone has seen UFOs and are now taking them very seriously. A glance through YouTube will bring this home in no uncertain terms. Official bodies are exploring them and organising welcoming committees to sit down and exchange ideas with them. Even, as one internet source states, the pope will introduce Christianity to them. But here is the rub—They are obviously far more advanced than us, and, it seems, some are not as nice as others, so we need to be very careful.

It is foolish to think they would even deem to sit down with us and go through all the claptrap that we spin out to any we want to take advantage of. But, perhaps, they, or at least the highest authority that they represent, have already spoken to us in a timeless language. In a language that will echo through all eternity. In a language that reverberates around the thinking of many people, many nations, many languages and many kings. Perhaps the ‘little scroll’ of Revelation 10:11 is a reiteration of Jesus Christ’s life, death and resurrection, in a more modern and accurate context.

It makes sense to me.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk


Hi Sweet Pea—Thank you for your very kind greeting and thank you for the opportunity to speak civilly on my Biblically discovered ‘dynamic energy’ of such vital importance. You see, science is looking at it all wrong. They have all the facts and the mechanics but they are putting it together all wrong.

It is all very complicated and I try to make it as simple as possible but even that isn’t simple enough—but it is all supported by Jesus’ accurate teaching so there is no need to understand what I say, we just need to follow Jesus Christ accurately.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk


Continuing with my theme that science supports the teaching of Jesus Christ just as Jesus supports his God and that they all respond to righteousness, which is the science extracted from the Holy Bible, we can embark on a trip to modern sciences latest laboratory—The Hadron Collider.

Here they smash nuclear particles together and measure what happens—what they are finding is that atomic particles split into many parts—shrapnel—and they measure the electric traces this shrapnel leaves behind before they annihilate themselves—but what no one has realised is that without anything holding them together, these particles are returning to their natural state—An invisible, undetectable state, that is the original, universal, dynamic state, that existed in superabundance in Almighty God’s laboratory—the universe—before the Great, Universal, Hadron Collider sent it all in to wild, hurricane storm forces that created stars and atoms, galaxies and life, according to very special laws that is still outside scientific reach but which has been carefully structured by the highest authority in the universe for our benefit—that is if everlasting life, resurrection, repair, peace, happiness, harmony and good-will is your thing—if not, then I’m afraid, you need to read Revelation again because it’s all in there.

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

One thing that this study exposes and which requires more urgent investigation is the impact that the Earth’s gravity has upon us. Whilst we accept that it is a global constant that we just have to live with, it should be obvious now that there is a point of variation between individuals. If we are fit and healthy we support it far better than if we are old and troubled—it can become an oppressive force and seriously interferes with our health.

Scientists beware—you should have picked this up long ago.

So—don’t you think it is rather foolish to ignore it in our daily lives?

When Jesus walked on water he was telling us that he knew all there is to know about the laws of gravity—it is another electric force that requires skilled and viable counter-laws to offset its full load and I know just where to find them...it's in the Gospels.

newnature #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Let's say the universe is that old, but the earth is older than that. The cave people during the fifth ‘a day’ in Genesis, that fifth ‘a day’ took around four and half billion years. Look at the cave people, God did not create them in his image. Being created in the image of God means that we must view ourselves as intrinsically valuable and richly invested with meaning, potentially and responsibilities. We are to be and to do on a finite scale, what God is and does on an infinite scale.

By virtue of being created in the image of God, human beings are capable of reflecting his character in their own life; animals possess none of these qualities. What distinguishes people from animals is the fact that human nature inherently has godlike possibilities.

Omniscience, omnipotence, or omnipresence, none of these other divine attributes have been ascribed to the human race as part of the image of God. We have been created to reflect God in our thinking and actions, but the physical sustained by God and dependent upon him for our existence in this world and in the world to come. Developing a godly character in this present life, this will be our personal identity in the world to come. It is the character or personality that we have developed in this life, that God preserves in his memory.

So these cave people, they would have to have everything we have, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mtLXpgjHL0&feature=related

These cave people would not have had a God conscious, like God has given to the human race a God consciousness, the conscious perception that we could say that there is a God somewhere and that ultimately the human race is accountable to that God.

Nothing made it out alive when the fifth 'a day' came to an end. In the sixth 'a day' God created blood life in the whales. Once something is created, all God has to do breath it into a body.

Spud #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Point about special pleading taken, and ok, sex isn't just about reproduction. But I haven't actually said that same sex couples shouldn't have sex - they can't. What they do is in no shape or form sexual intercourse. What I said was that they shouldn't engage in homosexual acts, which cannot to be compared with it, as ht did.
If I'm not mistaken, the English word 'couple' (meaning a man and woman in a relationship) was coined before homosexuality became accepted, Shaker.

Indistinguishable from Vlad #fundie religionethics.co.uk

You almost undo a scientifically unverifiable ''privilege'' by suggesting a scientifically unverifiable ''bigger scheme of things''.

The question why something and not nothing of course takes all this in it's stride.

the claim that we are not special is just the reverse of thinking we are special. Again Shakespeare has it with his iteration of ''why something and not nothing''
''To be or not to be''

Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk

have no doubt at all about evolution having a direction. The fact that humans have arisen is testimony to that fact. No amount of random gene variation or 'natural selection' of your variety, can explain that.

The Triune system of the OP is a clear indicator of how structures jump from one stage to another to accommodate higher mental functions. A clear case of biology being created to match spiritual development. No doubt at all. :D

Most people also tend to confuse 'science' with materialism. They think these two always go together. This may be a revelation to many here......but it is not necessary.

I don't know how educated most people here are (from the lack of knowledge and crass attitude exhibited here, not much, I gather)...... but they obviously don't seem to realize that materialistic understanding of a process is only at one level. Life has many levels.

More and more into detail with no clue of the Big Picture or how things fit together!!! That's the problem.

But then...that's too much for many people here to understand I realize. :D

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

If your rejection of theism involves attacking that theism then you are a counter theism...which is a theism in itself. To try and detach yourself from it is little dishonest.

You are saying I don't believe in God so no one else must...you have made yourselves gods...and worse than that...you are trawling through every avenue open to you toget your patronage from...building your on converts to the adherence of the thinking of your high priest...hmmm I can't see much difference whatever you callit...except that I,like millions before me find an awful lot of truth in the pain, suffering and teaching of Jesus Christ...not forgetting that he showed how you and I can achieve resurrection if we abandon false gods...like yours.

Vlad and his ilk #fundie religionethics.co.uk

The message in Christianity is the risen Jesus though. A dynamic risen Jesus is different from a message which can be spun. If you take the risen Jesus as that then you are in difficulties and have missed the point. If you accept the risen Jesus as he is then it's your 'self-spin' that has to go.

~TW~ #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Ht says ""I've always found creationists, like those at Answers in Genesis, to be very well informed of the scientific facts" - which can only mean that they are deliberately misrepresenting the facts"

Well as you like facts HT and are so sure of Evolution try this. A man walks into the street undresses,naked and reveals all,he is arrested, A large type Monkey/Gorilla goes into the street reveals all may even masturbate and yet is not arrested

One is considered a Human for this purpose and yet you know he is only an animal.The other is an animal and you say "well this monkey/Gorilla is only an animal"

How come you can misrepresent the facts and persecute one animal (by arresting him) and yet you excuse the other ,

animal,with the comment it is an animal. And also why not explain why evolution has made such a COCK UP.

HT get a grip Man was created in the image of God AND YOU are without excuse.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Also you are a mass of contradictions. Some people would say a no brainer

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

We should view evolution, then, as something that happened before this planet was colonised by Almighty God...and...naturally...built his own human creation around these same laws that he knew would succeed on this planet.

Prior to this...this planet had ceased to function as a life supporting planet. Darkness was on the face of the watery deep and all life lost.

It is likely that after the last ice age and as there became a shifting of all that mass, the waters and the moon loaded a mighty drag on the spinning mechanism of the axis and the planet churned to a halt...whilst the orbital pattern continued with the opposing face locked onto the sun. This way the Holy Bible would have an anchor upon which to make its claim...

...In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth.

Now the Earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness on the surface of the watery deep; and God's active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters.

We can imagine what this active force reported back to Heaven...

'Planet void...all life lost...darkness on the face of the watery deep...could be resuscitated.'

And we all know what Almighty God decided to do...even if we don't believe it.

Emergence - the Musical #fundie religionethics.co.uk

I'm wondering if people choose philosophical materialism or forms of moral irrealism because under it they are completely vindicated and such philosophies provide salvation for the ego.

This of course would be impossible in world views and religions which cause for repentance, trust, or at least a start from moral need or need of enlightenment since these call for a recognition of deficit.