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There is no convincing you is there?

Even with the stark facts in front of you you want to play with words...just as the entire rank and file of the antichrist do.

This dynamic energy is rich in potential...Galaxies are structured from it and you and I are too. This is why I can safely say that our abuse of it disturbs our own, individual, genetic code....sometimes in an evolutionary sense, sometimes in a righteous sense, sometimes in a wild, frenzied, evil sense...but, never-the-less, we can't escape its interference until we are dead and then we are stuck in the the ether in an inconsequential, boring sense, unless we can be resurrected...and that is what Jesus Christ offers those who participate in his, accurate, righteous science.

Soon the ether will be swept clean by the invading planetary bodies Biblically called Wormwood and the fiery lake of sulphur, and so we need to look for the signs and maneuver ourselves into salvation...only achievable by following Jesus Christ accurately. There is wriggle room, but not for the antichrist.

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Hi, Sweet Pea…I do things the way I do them because it is at the behest of Almighty God and his much loved son, Jesus Christ, and like the watchman who is equally guilty if he doesn’t notify those he is watching over, of approaching dangers, when something sinister is approaching, I don’t want to share in the guilt of the antichrist.

Every night now, at sunset, and for a number of months, there has been a huge red tint radiating across that area of sky…it lasts for about half an hour and it is causing quite a fuss on YouTube…but, true to form, it can only be seen by those who aren’t locked into the antichrist philosophy. Trentvoyager recognises its existence, whilst Seb can’t see it, on a night when it was particularly spectacular…check it out for yourself, and know that God’s Judgment is near.

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Two Gifts From God…(part 31)

It is a commonly known fact that the human body has two sides which have semi-independent responsibilities over each other. There is the LHS and the RHS and in a stroke one side can fail completely.
This can happen suddenly and without warning and is usually attributable to a blood-clot lodged in the brain. But why is the blood clotting and is this condition as sudden as it appears??

Not according to God’s righteous science…It has been building up for some time. From our early youth we have been squeezing our brains to get a greater response from it. We frown and squeeze it, thus hindering the natural circulation throughout the many journals that are a part of its make-up. At an early age we start having head-aches and migraines and slowly but surely we are closing down one side of the brain, as surely as if it was by the sudden attack of a blood clot, but this is slow and spreads over a number of years whilst all the glands, muscles, and thinking abilities, associated with a full blown stroke, are there, hidden from view, disguised in a numbness, and which requires urgent attention before the blood thickens up and begins to congeal.

As always, that urgent attention is captured within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ…His teaching is so accurate that we can apply maximum faith to it knowing that if we are beyond repair we will also have a share in the resurrection, and this is a great comforter too.

I call this a ‘silent stroke’…but it is much more far-reaching than is listed here.

…(to be continued)

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A valid Biblical point gleaned from the existence of RFID chips that will cause sores and abscess' is this...that it is our electrical nature that talks to our genetic health...and Jesus showed us how to harness that science within our own genetics for our own health improvement. Hard to understand, maybe, but if we don't pay heed it is only us that will suffer as individual mutants of the scurrilous thinking of Satan.

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My freedom to choose to reply to your post is sufficient evidence of my supernatural ability to make a consciously driven choice. A natural explanation would require that my response to your post was entirely pre determined by the uncontrollable physically defined reactions in my material brain.

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Science calls it a big-bang but cannot justify how all the energy contained in the universe sprang from their singularity. I say, we must look beyond the big-bang. That there is a superabundant energy that has always been and always will be. It drifted around space...gathering into huge, dense galaxy bearing clouds, of light-year proportions. Before the big-bang there must have been a static universe...same space...same energy but no time what-so-ever...this all changed when neighbouring clouds drifted into each other...their extremely dense cores set upon claiming the centre position causing a massive collision which split the universe into two dimensions and from this all science sprung into life and the supporting evidence is contained within the Holy Bible.

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

To contemplate the idea that there is no God would be equivalent to me contemplating my own non existence. The fact that I exist, and am aware of my existence is entirely sufficient for me to realise that this awareness of existence comes from God - not from an aimless, purposeless materialistic process.

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Remember that the field of energy that will become the star already exists and the speed of the expanding universe which fires up all scientific data has already been created. This whole body of star energy is locked upon a black-hole that brought this dense virgin star material into a tight gravitational body. All we need is the swirling, crashing forces, within that star's density, to penetrate down into the static dimension, and in the blink of any eye an atom is born...manifest this a trillion, trillion, times, and I reckon a fully functioning star could form in an instant and in that same instant, all knowledge within the universe gained its scientific roots which all centre upon Almighty God, just as Jesus Christ taught us...and the two part-atom components that gave birth to the living-cell, having derived from a similar birth pattern, is party to all of this.

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You could be right...but time-travel isn't so very difficult. You see...if we take our lead from Almighty God we know that in the static dimension a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day. So there we have it...if we want to slip around time and space all we have to do is become stationary whilst the Milky Way hurtles away from us at the speed of the expanding universe...and, it seems, many observers have witnessed this principle in action.

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The one single scientific, and Biblical point that no one seems to grasp is that the Holy Bible introduces us to a two dimensional universe...God's and ours. Those that pray, pray into a different dimension to reach God and this tells us that we can interact with this primary dimension as well. My analysis of all science tells me that every atomic particle is bonded to its nucleus because of a friction point at its core that not only holds the atom together but actually built that atom in the first place because those two dimensions clash in a wonderful way. The clear scientific distinction between these two dimensions are the big-bang where all this indestructable energy in the universe began hurtling through space at high-speed over the top of the static dimension that lies beneath it and that this recipe produced all science...so Almighty God and Jesus Christ were right all along...and reveal many valuable and worthwhile things to harness their science by and which all revolves around righteousness.

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It won't be my science then that discovers how half the body goes numb by virtue of our attitude towards our
Creator's son causing us to start dying internally long before we die...or that this lack of breathing to full capacity in that numbed lung, over a sustained period causes us to be susceptible to blood clotting...strokes...brain tumours...heart disease...dementia...and a few other things besides. It's my latest project...but it is early days yet..so pretend I haven't told you...but the evidence, so far, indicates I'm on the right track...and It will be all thanks to Jesus Christ's accurate teaching...itself, a science.

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If all health problems are the result of our electrical nature and how we take care of it, then I would suggest that knowing this and actively doing something to prevent such a poor mental state to develop would be the best course of action...not condemn the scientist for putting a Biblically known concept into a scientific context. That way you may have helped to prevent the consequences of a drained emotional person from slipping into that terrible and very disabling emotional black-hole, which can overpower each and everyone of us if we allow it to. I can ensure you that such a person you describe didn't suddenly become ill...it was brewing up for some time...You are lashing out again, which is something I am well aware of and suggest a change in attitude, particularly towards our saviour, as your best course of action. Then we could discuss how you could upbuild your relatives emotional strength, and, thereby, his physical strength as well. We could start by using techniques the Samaritans use by listening to whatever the person has to tell you with a caring ear. Then incorporate the Catholic approach and allow him to discuss what is bothering him...in this way we are also using Freud's techniques which allows a person to poor out what is bothering them. It is all incorporated in Jesus Christ's teaching where prayer and healthy reasoning take us into a state where we are interacting with the true nature of the world and not man's selfish, greedy and often spiteful rendition of it.

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You see why I'm the scientist here and not you lot. Your ok with the nasty snap-back but find it impossible to talk seriously, honestly, and caringly over a topic that has everyone of our best interests at heart.

We have established that a party of people project a hysterical tension...'The air was electric.'

We have established that this is an inner electric property expressed by our nervous tension.

And we have detected that this inner electric property is at the root of many of our illnesses...

The individual living cell is the only force within us that can generate this electric property, in its purest form, because it works using certain electric properties needed to explain its replicating existence.

The ganging up of many people to ridicule and besmirch a valid line of reasoning is reminiscent of the bunching together of rogue cells to form a tumor and this is also a point contained within my research...a knowledge all gathered from the accurate Christian teaching of Jesus Christ and carries the hall-mark of a Biblical expression known as the antiChrist.

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The living-cell...performs It's replication by following set phases. These phases are what equates with my reasoning and why I use it as a model of the electric nature of the universe. In my working life I often had to look at many processes to identify faulty patterns and running alongside this was the realisation that everything responded to electric laws. None more so than people. People are a product of the replicating living cell and showing that it was generating an electric energy...much of which is wasted by hysterical behaviour...set the tone of what I was looking for. If we look at these phases, do a rough sketch around them, and make a preview around what could be happening...no matter how ridiculous...then make that imagined pattern fit scientifically known facts or implied facts from other processes....then we are well on the way to becoming a scientist.

The imagined picture I drew was that invisibly, two parts, the primary force of the living cell, were coming together. Each had an imploding force as electric fields often do and this is what draws these two fields together. They are invisible and massless except for the cell nutrients that are also being attracted by the imploding forces. So a little chemical factory is being pulled into shape by the coming together of these two invisible imploding forces. They pause for a while because the whole process is analogous with intercourse and this is when the generating energy is at its strongest. But this energy becomes depleted as it is used for a number of celular tasks and this causes the attraction force between the cell's creators to pull apart, passing out of the cell drawn out by other imploding forces only too willing to repeat the process in another cell and as they pull apart, away from each other the newly formed bonds separate creating two new cells where previously there had been only one.

So, kick that around for a while...but there is more, much more.

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Saying that your ideals and principles are aligned with the Holy Bible is just saying that you prefer honesty, harmony, peace, happiness and love as your path through life. That is a principle carved into British Law. When you stand in a court of law and raise your right hand you are saying you will uphold those principles...has the law changed, because, if it has, I missed it?

Now...an invisible energy, proven to exist whenever we say...'the air was electric' has got to have a science behind it. Hitler had a science behind his antics, and here it is, the same abuse that every bully inflicts upon his victims. World war 2 erupted from not understanding the science and world war erupts inside our own flesh when cancer breaks out in the body. Thousands of scientists are chasing the cure but regardless of how much money is thrown at the problem it gets worse and worse...Now, here is a scientific prompt...maybe it is because we aren't taking the electric nature of the universe, the electric nature of the world or the electric nature of the living cell seriously enough.

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I have discovered a property that you have all stumbled past and ignored but which is proving to be the most important ingredient in our daily lives deserves scientific merit. Just by noticing it when every other scientist has walked past it gives me scientific credentials but to put it to work...soothing and calming it within many hosts is very scientific indeed, then to unify the fundermental forces of nature by following stepping-stone and proven scientific data, gives me great scientific credibility...but, of course, it is early days yet...and there is much work to be done.


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One of the key indicators of my science is when people gather in great numbers and we say, the air was electric, or, you could cut the atmosphere with a knife. It is in exploring this 'atmosphere', in etreme circumstances that tell us that there is an invisible electric cloud, the product of our mass nervous excitement, a product of the audiences inner nervous strength that has created that atmosphere. Of course, you have to read the words, and not just lash out, to see the science, but never-the-less, we have defined an electric product which has great health properties, if we are responsive enough to see the science.

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The Living-Cell

From the perspective of an All Electric Universe we can relook at all science and explore new avenues of thought that might lead to some exciting discoveries. That is what I propose doing here, using the living-cell as a model to guide us into a deeper understanding about the All-Electric Universe.

The living cell follows a number of patterns of behaviour. It can replicate itself…It can perform chemical tasks. It embraces atoms like long lost cousins. It is superabundant, being that trillions upon trillions of them are functioning in their many tasks at any one moment in time. They can go wrong…get stuck, in a circular pattern, which goes wild and uncontrollable, replicating in a fury, whilst not being controlled by any useful genetic patterning …and it can carry genetic information from one generation to the next…a tall order for one so small.

They each have science foxed, but not if we introduce an all-electric universe that obeys certain rules, and harnessing those rules for our own benefit…a must, for any who want to improve their health.

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I didn't quite understand that...but here is my interpretation of what I think you said...The happiest mind is the healthiest mind and the healthiest mind is the one where all the air, blood, nutrients and thoughts are gurgling through our minds pathways in a healthy way. The not-so-lucky have all sorts of mental problems, so it is easy for me to say that an open-mind, as delivered by Biblical teaching, and especially Jesus Christ, is a way of recovering from a multifaceted problem that is creating havoc in the whole world today and for which there is a ready cure in the form of the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ....remember...the Catholic church...the Samaritans. and Sigmund Freud, all harnessed the teaching of Jesus Christ, by way of talking to someone about our problems, when all that is really necessary is talking to Almighty God, via the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

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You see why Jesus Christ is so important in our lives...because hordes will gang up and try and reduce you to their level of inability. It won't work. My science has been tested to my own standards of satisfaction and found to be very useful indeed in everyday situations...never mind in our forthcoming salvation. If you weren't so determined to ridicule and shout abuse we could have gotten into a deep and meaningful conversation about it all but I'm afraid that has become impossible.

The message remains unchanged...the universe is the reconstruction of a wonderful dynamic energy that erupted after forming into many, many, huge dense clouds, of lightyear proportions. It is the core understanding found within the Holy Bible and dictates the terms and conditions of every known science.

Energy and force are two parts of the same thing and combine to make mass else you rubbish Einstein's most famous equation at a stroke, Stranger, and by the same reasoning, Almighty God = all mass because his dynamic energy was transformed by his Hadron Collider that sprung into life after galaxy clouds drifted into each other...Now, Seb...How can, 'follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ' be attributable to Satan...only the antiChrist could make such an assertion and you know it is all this type of confusion planted in peoples minds by the antiChrist that is causing all the mayhem in the world today...so...well done.

Arbitrary Scepticism Award

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You have a wonderful way with words BeRational but that will have to change if you want to claim a place in Jesus Christ's salvation plan. By my understanding, all QM theories are the study of atomic shrapnel. They smash energy particles to smithereens which leave a trace of energy for the split second that they exist. The real force within an atom is contrived by the higgs field. An atomic black-hole, of sorts, that sucks in God's energy in a precise and meaningful way, all happening inside a newly forming star. But you have got to have the whole picture to have any confidence in the minor detail. Listen rather than stamp and shout and you might get the whole picture which is all centred around the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ and which is fully justifiable within the Holy Bible...and which leads us into scientific wonders that can only currently be dreamt about.

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It's all so simple really. All mass is restructured energy. Spin up a huge cloud of the stuff and it all follows the same pattern and the amount of galaxies and stars in the universe tells us just how much of it there is....I call it superabundant but you can take every atom and break down all their component parts add up all the energy you find then add on another 93% and you will still be way out but under rather than over.

There were already many galaxy clouds, millions in fact, even trillions of them, all containiing vast amounts of this energy and just drifting around space, in a static universe. You can itemise how much potential energy was in each cloud by doing a similar exercise as before for the individual galaxy under scrutiny but that is up to you. Now all we needed was God's hadron collider...a natural event, many times larger than its namesake here on planet Earth and with much fiercer results and which will knock all your sciences calculations into touch...It presents a science that really only a wonderful God can handle and Jesus Christ is the most skilled being to handle the multiplicity of it all.

Thank you for the opportunity to express it again...I look forward to your rants but it won't change the science one iota.

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The first thing we should ask ourselves is, is it possible for there to exist a much more advanced civilization in this universe than we, ourselves...and if the answer is yes...are they hostile or friendly...and if there is any evidence that they may be friendly...are they prepared to divulge the science of the universe to us. Well, you can make your own mind up about that. The Holy Bible says there are and explains how we can ditch the cancer of evil from our midst...but we had better start quickly else we might be seen as part of that cancer as are all those listed in Revelation 21:8...and making ourselves salvageable seems to be so full of promise...as in eternal life...peace...harmony...good will and freedom from all health failures. Imagine leaping around the rocks like a mountain goat...that is what's on offer when we unravel our spiritual distress. Only a solid science can deliver these things and that is what is on offer...lt's all in the Holy Bible

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So...let's explore what you find so offensive Stranger...that I say that there is an invisible, superabundant, indestructible, dynamic energy behind the existence of the universe. That it is owned by Almighty God...in fact it is God and from it, all science, all stars and all life came into being. Now that is what the Holy Bible tells us as well and Jesus taught us how to harness it righteously...now where do I discredit Jesus or his father and where do I not offer great hope by revealing a science that Satan's henchmen would rather we didn't have?.

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Your style reminds me of someone else Stranger. No hard feelings but he refused to grasp difficult scientific points like the one that if Jesus attracted millions of supporters then his science is repeatable if we use his data points and I have proven to myself, at least, that it still works in the dimension of resurrection, repair and everlasting life because attaching ourselves to his righteous science and God's indestructible energy does just that...regardless of who says otherwise.

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But your notion of freedom is not freedom, just inevitable uncontrollable reaction to a current state of existence.

The soul only exists in the present, consciously perceives the present and consciously interacts with the present. Time is a dimension which exists in this material universe, and according to physicist Stephen Hawkins, time as we know it began with the Big Bang. It is quite possible that the soul, not being of this universe, does not exist in time, but only perceives the passing of time through its perception of human sensory data. As such it can't be subject to the same laws of cause and effect we see in our material universe, but will do everything in its own timeless existence. This is just my postulated theory which may seem strange to you, but as Arthur C Clark once said - The truth, as always, will be far stranger.

So do not try to limit your understanding of reality to what can be squeezed in to fit within our limited human knowledge, but accept reality as it is and use your precious gift of freewill to the full.

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Praying to Jesus has one, specific reward that is far more important than any other...which proves that Jesus answers every prayer...and that is that by proper prayerful request we hit the universal frequency that delivers God's righteous energy for our emotional support. This is the most urgent need that anyone has. Compare it with Jesus Christ going to his crucifixion and the only support he got was his knowledge that he would be resurrected because he had righteously done everything correct according to God's law...and there is no doubt in my mind that this undeserved energy supported you at that time. If we make mistakes we must live with them but we can be guided past them, pay the penalty and begin God's and Jesus' repair programme without any help from me.

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Now we have established that mass is restructured energy and is prone to some very predictable, calculable, behaviour patterns, we can look away from the singularity that science says installed it all inside every single atom, in such a wonderful and graceful way, and, to find true answers, we must consult the Holy Bible...God's superabundant, invisible, indestructible, dynamic energy, that structured these atoms in such a divine way that they obey the precise laws of chemistry, electricity, physics, and righteousness...and it all revolves around the higgs-field, Stranger.

The higgs-field is a semi-portal into the primary dimension of the universe...As tiny as it is it holds all the energy within an atom together. The slightest hint of such a hole created within the swirling and crashing internal forces of a star is sufficient to suck-in energy from all directions in measured amounts because in a single gush, in less than a nanosecond, the hole that holds them becomes stable and excess energy is swept away causing the higgs-hole to pulse and suck in more energy until the higgs is captured and retained in the atom it just formed, for our future electric experiments. The higgs is kinda sprung-loaded in its stability but interference with that stability exposes the force of the higgs creating magnetism, chemistry, the speed of light, and ohms law...all dependant upon how we are looking at the problem.

So, in all our sciences there is a higgs story and the most compelling of these is how gravity, higgs, magnetism, electricity, living-cells, and righteousness, all work together, hand in hand with each other.

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If I can shape and fashion a Biblically acceptable God who owns the entire universe and who dictates the terms and conditions of all who have a future hope in living in peace and harmony for all eternity, here on planet Earth...then certainly a clever and responsible 'being' could be shaped and fashioned by sharper, keener laws that have perhaps escaped my abilities...My version says that Almighty God exists because, whilst residing in Heaven...he broke the hidden code of nature and discovered that an indestructible energy can deliver an indestructible spirit that can discover, and formulate, all scientific knowledge that that universe offers, accurately and precisely...and that could only benefit those who are prepared to listen. Those that did listen counted in their great multitudes and because they were given such a rewarding life they stick with their Deity through thick and thin...and all this is recorded in the Holy Bible for those who read it honestly and openly and who have sidestepped the obvious traps that iniquity sponsor within it for their own benefits.

Those that cannot find the same faith, for whatever reason, will always be troublesome, working blindly for greed and selfishness, spitefully and inharmoniously, and so God has decreed that the next global event that will affect every person, the quick and the dead, at that time, and which is foretold in Revelation and on YouTube, will have to suffer the natural consequences of their disobedience...This is summed up in Revelation 21:8...where the disobedient will be whisked off to a future best described as eternal damnation...because the part of you that cannot die will be evicted from this planet, and into a sulphurous, fiery planet, for all eternity. Satan is busy building his defenses but they are like matchwood against a very forceful, electric universe and a righteous God.

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Well, I know that, like a cancer-cell torments surrounding cells with short, sharp, wild and uncontrollable shock tactics, a bully will torment the nervous energy out of their neighbours, as well, forming a nasty tumour of like minded people who go around in gangs creating havoc, even death, because they to live by wild and uncontrollable laws. Now, don't you think that it is scientifically conceivable that Jesus Christ knew this as well and, using his Godly knowledge, was showing and teaching us how to keep our genetic health soothed and calm...because its a certain fact that since the populations have been so wildly and hysterically manipulated that the occurence of cancer has gone through the roof...and so, perhaps, Jesus had the answer all along. His accurate word, that is, not the iniquitous versions that many are so fond of.

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It all begins and ends with an invisible, superabundant, dynamic energy...that has always been and always will be, Stranger. Not unlike dark energy and dark matter, but with a much bigger bite. If you can't get your head around that then you won't get your head around anything I say...but Almighty God, endorsed by Jesus Christ, says clearly...look into the heavens, who put them all there, with the superabundance of his dynamic energy/mighty power, not one is missing...and everyone is identified and catalogued, according to the same verses, in Isaiah, if your interested.

Now...if you hit upon the correct science you can identify all things that have a scientific footprint...and Jesus Christ and Almighty God made those footprints.

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Continuing with my theme that science supports the teaching of Jesus Christ just as Jesus supports his God and that they all respond to righteousness, which is the science extracted from the Holy Bible, we can embark on a trip to modern sciences latest laboratory…The Hadron Collider.

Here they smash nuclear particles together and measure what happens…what they are finding is that atomic particles split into many parts…shrapnel…and they measure the electric traces this shrapnel leaves behind before they annihilate themselves…but what no one has realised is that without anything holding them together, these particles are returning to their natural state…An invisible, undetectable state, that is the original, universal, dynamic state, that existed in superabundance in Almighty God’s laboratory…the universe…before the Great, Universal, Hadron Collider sent it all in to wild, hurricane storm forces that created stars and atoms, galaxies and life, according to very special laws that is still outside scientific reach but which has been carefully structured by the highest authority in the universe for our benefit…that is if everlasting life, resurrection, repair, peace, happiness, harmony and good-will is your thing…if not, then I’m afraid, you need to read Revelation again because it’s all in there.

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Wherever a group of people gather under one banner it is the same electric evidence at work. Often they seek security from hostile forces...This is the same in Christianity and Judaism. It is the science that underpins this emotional gathering, that you say doesn't exist, that I find intriguing. You see, it always works in one of two ways...either it is used to create oppression as Satan and his henchmen do, else it is used righteously as Almighty God and Jesus Christ do...and the force that is at work, in every case, is our inner electric/nervous/spiritual energy...and warning you of the terrible problems facing us today because of our abstinence from this knowledge isn't intimidation...it is loving kindness...and Jesus Christ knows all about it because his crucifixion oscillated from his stake like a vibrating transmitter which will never stop vibrating because the science behind his teaching will never stop...which brings us neatly to his resurrection...your resurrection....my resurrection...and the resurrection of all souls who will have to face God's Judgement...but if you interpret this as intimidation then, I'm afraid, your attitude is all wrong.

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My first point of evidence is what I have seen with my own eyes...many planes spewing out huge amounts of disgusting fumes...you could have seen them as well but you are not looking else you have other motives for not seeing them. The sun is glaring like a white spotlight which any older person knows is unnatural and its shape is everchanging from large to small to elongated and to being obscured by these offensive unnatural cloud formations . We used to say red sky at night shepherds delight but now, for a very long time there is always an enormous reddish tint at sunset all over the the western sky. There is so much evidence on YouTube that to just turn your back on it is unforgivable. It all meets with practices and patents held in the US regarding geoengineering beside which there are huge amounts of chaos springing up all around the world. So...besides seeing it all for myself via various research methods...besides concerned people including scientists making the same observations, and despite it all being written of in the Holy Bible...I suggest that all the underground building work to store the salvation expectations and protection plans of the elite is a strong point of evidence too...I have a solid case, torrid.

Refusal to accept the evidence isn't evidence.

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Though I continue to maintain that earthquakes are dramatically on the increase, in diverse place, it is wise to understand what constitutes an earthquake. Bombs make the earth quake...volcanoes...sinkholes...even the sun creates earthquakes. There are constant rumblings around the world, especially in US, highlighted by tremors under the ground, shaking houses...but what would certainly contribute to all of this would be rogue, planetary systems, gravitationally pulling on, and underneath, the Earth's tectonic plates, and as this appears to be happening right now, we can expect many more earthquakes, with devastating consequences. This might be, just might be, why there have been secret and reinforced, underground facilities springing up all around the world and why they are being kept secret, and why amateur observers are required to bring it all to your attention.

Not to worry, all these things must happen before that Great Earthquake which will signal the deathblow for all those listed in Revelation 21:8 (666)...but don't be surprised if the part of them that is indestructible, their unholy spirit, is dragged into the fiery lake of sulphur, for evermore, when it could have endured for all eternity, here on planet Earth, with a new universal science and freedom from all evil...but you have to be in it to win it...That means, following Jesus Christ accurately.

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NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

The special creation of this planet as recorded in Genesis explains it best. The planet was void but all the clues state it had once thrived in an evolutionary state. A terrible event like the one expected soon had likely struck the planet and it had become tidally locked .It wasn't spinning on its axis.We are told that there was plenty of water but it had all collected upon the dark side of the planet...all life was lost. Almighty God, who demands our exclusive devotion took a decision to resurrect this planet...simply by spinning it on its axis...the rest is Genesis.

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NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk


By sin, death came into the world...which means that Adam and Eve and Jesus Christ were genetically perfect and to reclaim that genetic health we must follow Jesus Christ accurately.

The proof of this is coded into the cancer-cell which goes genetically wild and refuses to follow the good genetic behaviour of the surrounding cells...A possible cause, suggested here, is that we continually waste the nervous nourishment that every healthy living-cell requires to remain calm, soothed, and healthy...just as a child who is emotionally nurtured in a healthy and responsible way does. Now, where did I get this idea from?? I know...it is contained within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ....and it is what every good teacher of Jesus' righteous word should be teaching.

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NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk


Its the twin dimensional universe you need to get upset about, not me, because it will dictate all our fates. The accurate teaching of Jesus Christ is all we need follow if we want the fruits he offers...which are, repair, resurrection and everlasting life...because when we get the science right we get the benefits of that science right.

We have established that clashes between these two dimensions created gravity and the higgs fields and all nuclear properties. Everywhere there is a friction-point between these two dimensional states there is an imploding portal and the portal that I am most concerned, as far as humanity is concerned, is the portal that lies within the healthy living-cell, because without proper care and attention, it can turn nasty and preventing it turning nasty should be our number one concern...and unless we follow Jesus Christ accurately we instigate the triggers that causes our own living-cells to misbehave, sometimes in the most appalling ways. So, you see, as objectionable as you find my comments, you have got to comply with them if you want what many Christians have died for.

Though you might ridicule, CERN, and other authoritative bodies, have their own harmful take on these matters, which is costing trillions of pounds/dollars and which will induce God's wrath much quicker than is neccessary.

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NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Much of what I am telling you is provable by valid scientific analysis of the subject...Many scientists have conducted detailed analysis on this problem and have expressed their sincere concerns, have had conferences on the subject, and realised that they are being ignored. Its such a huge problem but its all linked in with that contingent of 666...Those who have turned their backs on Almighty God.

You cannot possibly be looking up into the skies with an honest desire to learn the truth else you would see the truth as well...unless you think that the constant barrage of air-planes that are pouring out chem-trails into the upper atmosphere are on a sunday jaunt. Like the Holy Bible, it needs a genuine study to realise the truth and, I'm afraid, ridiculing the truth will achieve nothing scientific what-so-ever...but when the stifling atmosphere comes into play you will be able to see that all your coughing and wheezing is the payment for your ridicule, whilst those causing it will be sitting in their protective dwellings laughing at your dilemma. Fortunately, the Holy Bible offers protection to those who haven't burnt their bridges. It is first law electronics that we should upbuild a righteous spirit within us to safeguard us against every eventually, and resurrection is on our side.

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NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

There is enough evidence to prove that I'm right...especially by way of the hydrogen bombs and the nuclear bombs and all the other bombs of the two world wars...If they aren't earthquakes, in diverse places, I don't know what is...diverse here being places where they shouldn't happen.

As far as gravity is concerned, I'm afraid it is an unknown property until we realise the true nature of the universe. Gravity is an imploding force created by mass warping space and space can only be warped if there is a clash of two universal forces...and indeed there are...our dimension is one of those forces and the static dimension, made known to us in the Holy Bible, is the other. They run side by side except the static universe is a relic from before the big-bang whilst ours is travelling at the high speed of the expanding universe...hence all the scientific laws that are made known to us by our modern science becomes null and void when we accept there is a higher science, of which, Jesus Christ, is the only scientist of any worth.

What this all means then is that when someone makes a point which is difficult to understand then it is wise to do some research before shooting from the hip.

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NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk


The Holy Bible can be a book of multi-symbolism SweetPea. Who would have thought that a rogue celstial system of planets, headed by the Red Dragon, would threaten our very existence 2000 after it was first told us that it would??

Jesus Christ himself is a being of multi-symbolism. He rose from the dead but who would have thought he was showing us a science whereby we can each be resurrected, dependant upon our level of sin beforehand. It all revolves around an invisible, superabundant, indestructible, dynamic energy...which puts the whole record of God's 'word' into a new perspective...same words, but a different realisation that when we abuse this energy we abuse our genetic health so that by our sins, death came into the world.

The opposite is also true then...that by our individual repentance, as Jesus alone taught us, we restore the inballence of our nervous vigour, add to it, and reap the benefits that Jesus taught us that his followers will reap, both now and, after God's Judgement.

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Sassy #fundie religionethics.co.uk


(In reply to post about new species of fìnch)


Cross breed does not make it a NEW SPECIES just a new variety of the same species.
But what no idiot could possibly think is that a new species came from absolutely NOTHING.
No evolution of a New species because Evolution is just a theory of how all things began without any critical evidence.

You can insult people all you like but a new species was not the case. A new species would be something that never existed before.
Finches have always existed. Till a black person made a baby with a white person half cast did not exist.


Nothing observed and evolution is a kids game for those who believe two things can exist as one but both being completely different.

Stop insulting people, it isn't intelligent, it isn't clever and it isn't nice. It is simply the height of ignorance when people try and make one example into something completely different.

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Having recently enjoyed the wonderful, joy filled celebrations of Easter with fellow Christians, it is truly depressing and sad to return to the dreadful negativity put forward to deny God's existence on this forum.

Of course God's existence is an objective fact. For anything to exist at all, there has to be an ultimate source for any existence - and it is not in this material universe which itself came into existence from a source beyond our understanding.

What saddens me, and God I feel, is that humans are so capable of wilfully refuting any evidence for God by using their God given gifts of intelligence and free thought to concoct reasons not to believe. I feel the key to discover God will only be found if you truly want to search for Him. The Devil will always provide an abundance of reasons not to believe for those who do not wish to find God.

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Spud #fundie religionethics.co.uk


I can only tell you that in my experience he does speak and work in a way that is clearly supernatural. No it's not "whatever happens is him answering". It's probably better described as me breaking into reality, where I stop functioning just as an animal and become aware of his presence. In reality, he is present all the time, but we go about our lives as though he doesn't exist. When I talk about him breaking into our space and time what I really mean is that I momentarily break into the reality of his presence. His answer to a prayer is just him reaffirming to me that he is there. As for him being hidden, no-one can see God's face and live. But we can see his arm, for example, when he "works salvation" for us, in other words, he speaks or acts in a way that helps me but glorifies not me but him. (Someone gave a good example of a child hiding from its parent behind a lamp post. He/she thinks he is hidden but his Mum can see his arms poking out. Likewise, God is hidden, but he's hidden in such a way that we can know he's there because he's at work in the world)

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk


If your logic does not acknowledge the reality of human free will it is meaningless. You keep asserting that there can be no difference between physical determinism and spiritual determinism, but the difference is that we can define what controls physical determinism - the laws of physics. You cannot presume to know what controls spiritual determinism. All I can do is continue to demonstrate the consequences of my spiritually determined thoughts and actions by witnessing to the reality of my freedom make conscious choices.

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

No one can detect gravity or what it comprises. But we know it exists because of the affect it has on material elements. Similarly with spiritual entities such as souls. We can't detect them directly, but we know they exist because they can impart conscious acts of will on an otherwise physically deterministic universe.

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

The problem is that you have not taken that very important first step in faith. Once you start on a journey in faith, and come to know God, you will see things from a different perspective and realise the failings of short sighted logic. And come to realise that God is ultimately responsible for whatever logic we perceive.

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Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Most genuine thinkers were philosophers first and scientists next. Their quest was never complete merely with understanding physical laws. They always sought answers beyond that.

Its in the mid 20th century that people (Dawkins.) latched on to religions like Christianity and Islam and made a big song and dance about them. This created an artificial gap and this is where hard Scientism came into the picture.

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

I do not know what there is to answer that I have not already answered. You seem to believe that your logic is sound and can't be refuted. But I believe that I have control over my actions. I agree that this control can't be explained by human logic, and this is why I attribute my ability to exert conscious control to the power God has given me through the gift of free will in my human soul.

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk


For God not to exist, we need to assume -
1. That the universe came into being on its own without divine help
2. That the initial conditions concerning the incredibly fine tuned balance between the rate of expansion of the universe an the force of Gravity (the cosmological constant) which allowed the formation of stars and galaxies was not intentional.
3. That the first living cell came into being through the actions of random, unguided, purposeless events.
4. That a sufficient quantity and quality of beneficial mutations can be generated from random events to drive the process of evolution.
5. That the detrimental effects of harmful mutations could not wipe out life entirely.
6. That every one of the billions of discrete mutations needed to form life as we know it was able to provide sufficient survival advantage in its own right to facilitate natural selection.
7. That molecular activity alone can generate self awareness.
8. That every event needed to write this post was an inevitable consequence of previous events, because we must assume that there can be no such thing as free will.

And we must presume that all these assumptions are true because God does not exist.

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Of course I understand what you are saying, but can you not discern a potential difference between physical determinism, defined entirely by the aimless nature of scientific laws and material properties, and non-physical determinism which is driven by something outside nature and is not constrained by the uncontrollable forces of nature.

The enormous creative potential within every human being offers ample evidence that the driving forces behind this potential come from a source which is not restricted to the outcome of the aimless uncontrollable forces of nature.

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

You can't ignore the vast amounts of evidence for the miraculous intercession of saints. I have personal experience of someone very close who has recently had a miraculous cure after asking for help to intercede from a deceased friend who was a very devout Christian.

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Private Frazer #fundie religionethics.co.uk

No because justice, it could be argued, could have been to completely exclude for ever and everyone from God's presence....are you beginning to see the objections to personal ideas of justice being the benchmark?
You are conflating original sin with personal sin.
original sin is a fourth century concept. I think that my answer to this would best be summed up to one of your earlier claims that God should have made better humans. Funnily enough Christianity starts with humans in perfect communion with God and they spoilt the image. Think female Movie stars and Botox. Ah I hear you object, their spoiling of themselves is due to their human environment...In which case your excuse for them and their agency actually produces a version of original sin.

Christ of course is God's answer to the human predicament.

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Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Evidence is only what we are able and willing to see. All of us don't believe in spiritual realities without any evidence. (That is just atheist arrogance to assume so).

Its just that you are unable to see it. That is all....and we are unable to show it to you. I keep citing the example of a stubborn blind man denying the existence of Light. Nothing can be done about it!

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Spud #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Let's add Acts to the gospels, since it was written by Luke.
Acts 12 contains a description of the escape of Peter from prison. Why would the author say that Rhoda the servant girl at Mark's mother's house ran back instead of opening the door when she recognized Peter's voice (v. 14)?
To make it sound more convincing? Or because it's true? To quote Jeremy Kyle, "Test says he's telling the truth"

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Private Frazer #fundie religionethics.co.uk

I think you will agree the bible makes it clear that the world was absolutely moral at the start until the human decision to alienate itself from absolute morality. 
The world is therefore fallen and God then works with humanity as it is. The Old testament then forms an account of the development of a nation who have a certain revelation of God
which God wants to preserve. God navigates the isrealites through ancient peace and warfare.

Why then should the jewish religion be so imperfectly preserved in the world where everything is tainted and there is no effective absolute morality? The answer is that it is a vehicle for the eventual saviour of individuals of any and every nation Jesus Christ.

I think your mistake is not recognising the fallen imperfect state of the world where absolute morality is not exercised 

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk


(on the subject of communion wafers and transubstantiation)

I have read that there is a value placed on the consecrated host by devil worshippers who pay for it in order to perform ritual abuse on the host. And apparently these devil worshippers can tell whether the host has been consecrated.

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Private Frazer #fundie religionethics.co.uk

(And more tales of co!minion wafers)

I did hear of a prison vicar who noted a quite different reaction and reception to himself from the inmate body when he went with communion wafers and when he never and decided to experiment with hidden wafers.

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Spud #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Saturday was a particularly unlucky day for me, went to check on Samson my nephew's hamster and found he had escaped. Later on Sunday night heard noises coming from the airing cupboard where he had decided to climb through a hole and vanish under the floorboards. I actually had a word with God about this and God decided to send him back. He came up for food later on and I shone a torch at him before catching him.

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SweetPea #fundie religionethics.co.uk


Yes, a child before indoctrination is a sight to behold. It is exactly what Jesus meant. They are free from the trappings of the matrix of this world. This is why the 'path is narrow' because we are surrounded by Luciferian distractions and slaves to the system. If we can free ourselves from these ties then we are truly free.

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Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Intellectual understanding is never the answer to many things.  It has its usefulness but should not be over stated.

The objective of the Robin is to fly, not to understand its own flight mechanism. 

This is where life becomes intricate. We have evolved an ability to understand things intellectually. It is useful but perhaps we are over doing it. Intellectual understanding can become an obsessive need just like other needs.  

Spirituality and religions try to wean us away from too much of intellectualism.

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

The implication is that our freedom can't be derived purely from the deterministically driven events in the physical material of our brain. Our freedom must come from a source which is not constrained by the uncontrollable forces of nature, so our freedom is verifiable evidence of our spiritual, God given nature.

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Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk


You are trying to have your cake and eat it too. You claim that there is no Self because our awareness and identity is affected when we sleep or in case of brain injury etc. Yet, just to get over the determination problem, you are willing to accept that the Unconscious mind drives our lives.

If you agree that the Unconscious mind is the real driver of our lives behind the conscious mind....then the issue of the Self being hidden behind the conscious mind is solved. The unconscious mind is or is part of the Soul. We (meaning... the conscious mind) have no idea what all this is or how it all works in any case. So what is the problem?

Determinism only affects the material world because it is subject to physical laws. The Unconscious mind (the soul) need not be subject to these laws. It is the element that influences and intervenes in our lives and directs not only our individual lives but all evolution itself.

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Sassy #fundie religionethics.co.uk

(In reply to the statement that humans are animals)

You mean like a dog or pig? You want to marry an animal and have sex with them?
Thought not... seems you don't believe your really an animal at all.

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

You keep maintaining that the word physical is irrelevant.
But physical implies that the action or event must comply with the physical laws of science.
So to enable conscious interaction with this universe rather than simple reaction, we can't be shackled by the uncontrollable rules of physically defined reaction.  The freedom for us to consciously  interact can't be defined within the constraints of pre determined physically controlled reactions.
The material properties and physical laws of interaction within this universe can demonstrably be consciously manipulated to produce the human creativity which abounds on this planet.  We live in a universe which seems obviously designed to be manipulated by conscious interaction, but this freedom to consciously interact must come from outside the physical constraints of our material universe.

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Humph Warden Bennett #fundie religionethics.co.uk


I am not scared of feminists, that is a typical feminist reaction, to claim that anybody who opposes them is "afraid".

As far as I am concerned, Feminism belongs in small rooms where those who feel aggrieved can spout their gender hatred with impunity. Feminism is just another version of the Socialist Workers Party.

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Private Frazer #fundie religionethics.co.uk


(in answer to the question if a decision is neither determined or random, how would it be made?)

Well I have talked about precedence and equivalence. The decision for or against personal commitment to God is both unprecedented(what material influence could possibly help you out in that decision and is without equivalence (given that there is consequential mediocrity with all other choices).

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

How many times to I have to say this -
The alternative to physical determinism is spiritually determined, which releases us from the shackles of the unavoidable physically determined cause and effect scenario, allowing the power of our God given soul to wilfully interact with this world. I have never asserted that that conscious awareness and wilful interaction is random. It is driven by our conscious will, not by the unavoidable consequences to previous physical events.

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Private Frazer #fundie religionethics.co.uk

(In answer to question what evidence is there for the claim that we all need to be saved and that Jesus is a the saviour)

The evidence is alienation inclusive of any non acted out nastiness in one's mind.
That things are not going as well as they could be although as far agnostic and atheists that is usually down to other people (Don't forget that all people are included in somebody's other people).
If you look at other religions they are commandment following, scales of justice or technique based.

What evidence do you have that there is no alienation, that it is down to people and that law-following or techniques can actually save or whether only God can take it upon himself.

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

There are many similarities between human behaviour and animal behaviour, but no animal has shown any capacity to believe, or disbelieve in a Creator.  Such an ability can only come from the God given conscious perception and willpower of the human soul.

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Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk


What's all the big deal about 'double blind tests'...double blind tests'...?!

The public have been fooled for 40 years about eating saturated fats and cholesterol and atherosclerosis and all that stuff. Now its all being claimed as.... "well...not really...you know...maybe cholesterol really isn't so bad...maybe fats are ok....hee...hee". There were all kinds of tests with a whole village (Framingham) being studied over decades (starting from 1948). It still turns out to be wrong.

Double blind tests or any other are not infallible. It all depends on the assumptions being made to begin with, the way the experiments are designed and finally the vested interests of the people sponsoring the study and so on....

Its quite silly when entire communities of people experience and accept certain phenomena but some 'scientists' come along with their double blind tests and dismiss everything as nonsense. The scientist types like to believe that they are right and that the entire world is foolish and naive. But they are increasingly beginning to look foolish themselves. They no longer hold the authority they once did.

Coming to dowsing....it involves the mind and our spontaneous reactions to subtle natural phenomena. Testing (double blind or otherwise) always involves the Meta consciousness. Once the meta consciousness gets involved, all spontaneous and natural reactions and responses get blocked automatically. Self consciousness prevents spontaneous responses.

This is why most mental phenomena that require a natural, unhindered, uninhibited and non-self conscious state of mind, fail when tested under so called 'strict test conditions'. The test itself hinders the process.

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Sweet Pea #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Dowsing is an ancient practice that has worked successfully in finding water for hundreds of years. There is no reason why water companies should not use this method.

This article mentions what Sriram is trying to explain. It's about the biofield of 'energy'. The reason science claims dowsing doesn't work is because once the sceptics interfere through double-blind testing the energy flow is broken i.e. the procedure cannot work properly. 

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Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk

You guys don't know about the biofield that surrounds all things??!! Hmm! Remarkable how you manage to keep yourselves completely insulated from true wisdom! ;)

I am sure I have written about this many times...particularly with reference to Floo's sudden frozen shoulder cure, spontaneous healing etc. Nothing 'supernatural' about it, let me add!

Here is something about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_(esotericism)

Also see 'Auras'.

The Biofield is a field that surrounds and penetrates all life. It is like the earth's magnetic field. This biofield is fundamental in maintaining physical health and mental well being. Any major disturbances to the biofield can cause illnesses. These are especially relevant in mental and emotional issues.

It is the flow of energies in this field that ensures well being and good health. Many esoteric healing techniques such as Pranic healing, Reiki, Feng shui, acupuncture...are based on this field and the flow of the energies in and around the body.

Even Yoga and the chakra system is essentially based on the biofield.

Why hasn't Science found this field yet? Maybe because it is full of old school fogies who are more comfortable remaining insulated from such things. But I am sure sooner or later all this will get integrated with physical science to give us a more comprehensive and meaningful picture of ourselves.

About dowsing and biofield...

https://dowsers.org/product/tuning-the-human-biofield/

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

But the reality is that I have the conscious power to choose in how and when (and if) to satisfy my wants.  This is what makes us human and distinguishes us from the predictable pre programmed behaviour of animals.  So I will continue to employ my God given power to choose to witness to the reality of God's existence.  There is nothing incoherent about the power of our souls to consciously choose our thoughts, words and actions.  It is only incoherent if you try to make it comply with the endless physical chains of cause and effect


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Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk


I'll tell you what it is all about.... 

Its probably the Biofield that makes dowsing, reiki, spontaneous healing etc. possible. Its as simple as that.

Why has science not found any biofield yet?  Well....Science has not found so many things all these years. So...what's the big deal? Secondly no one is looking for it and no one knows the right methods to detect it either. 

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk


But you assume that human scientific investigation will discover any evidence for God if God does exist. Can you not see the limitations of what science can discover? It is by definition limited to what can be perceived by physical human senses and man made contraptions. There is much, much more to reality which our spiritual awareness can reveal if you allow it to.

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Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Of course, Life goes on after death....even for those who think otherwise!!

We get reincarnated into other bodies and develop further...and when we are sufficiently developed, we become Free and stop reincarnating. That is real Freedom.....freedom from the sense of individuality that makes us self obsessed.

The entire Hindu, Jain and Buddhist philosophies are centered around this concept.

What evidence do we have? There are thousands of NDE's that indicate a life after death. Ian Stevenson has done significant research on reincarnation and found some evidence.

It also makes more sense than the 'food for bacteria' theory.....and ties in with our general tendency to become more and more loving, selfless and universal.

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Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Omnipotence is linked to Omniscience and Omnipresence. They go together. We cannot separate them out.

Omniscience and Omnipresence are possible only if the relevant Agent is some sort of an inner driving force. Pantheism!

The idea of the String is unavoidable in this context. The String is postulated to be present in everything, and is said to vibrate and transform itself into different elementary particles and thereby into the whole world. That is Omnipresence, Omniscience and Omnipotence.

Of course the question arises as to what the String is and how it came about and whether there is any Intent and Will behind it. I don't think we will ever know. We are a product of it and not above it.

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

We are God's presence on this earth. Answers to prayer often come by motivating people to do His will. When I pray about a lost contact lens, I do not expect it to jump into my hand - I need to act in faith and allow God to guide me to find it. It is the same for many other prayers. When I pray for people in need, I will try follow what I feel God motivates me to do.

I know that the more affluent in society could do a lot more to help those less fortunate. There are many resources which could be used if people were motivated to use them more effectively to help those in need.

But there is another type of poverty which is much more difficult to deal with, and which ultimately has very dire consequences. This is the spiritual poverty which is becoming much more prevalent in the affluent west.

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk


I learnt from an early age that the things I pray about turn out much better than the things I neglect to pray about. So I have witnessed to some personal answers to prayer - including the truly miraculous healing of my wife's father from an aortic aneurysm (after we were told he was dying with just a few minutes left to live) and the finding of a contact lens dropped on a grassy field (I did not even have to search - my finger was guided straight to it).

So whenever I feel worried or anxious about anything, I try to remember to pray about it because I know that the prayers I say in faith do get answered in wonderful ways. And I am certain that if more people in this world were able to pray with faith in the name of Jesus Christ, this whole world would be a better place.

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Of course I believe that God intended us to be His creation. Common sense tells me that billions of years of random, unguided, aimless forces could produce nothing but a chaotic goo - even with the right ingredients. I see human scientific investigation as being just an an insight into God's creative genius.

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'andles for forks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Your forgetting that theists and deists were assigning the role of creator as articulated in SU centuries before. SU is not science but philosophy.
Moreover it is a latecomer.
What it is is a repudiation of the idea that there cannot be an outside of the universe, a turn round which to lessen the blow to New Atheism has rear guard action involving denial purely because people poop themselves over the word God or gods. The fundamental difference between the idea of creator inSU and theology is a courtiers reply which has naturally been detected by the person who invented courtiers reply, PZ Myers.

I for one will now not be able to see many on this board as strident macho antitheists but as bizarre deists dreading the full implications of accepting the philosophy of SU.

To them I wish them good luck in their migration.

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Thank you for correctly pointing out that we do not live in a perfect world.
If we did live in a perfect world, there would be no need to search for God, because we would have found Him.
The fact is that humans can recognise that our world is not as we would like it to be. We all know that there could be a better place.
Some of us know that there is a better place

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'andles for forks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Sriram's confusion is only that cultivated by New atheists who wish to avoid identification and responsibility for their utterances by coalescing, Slime Mould like, into a single entity which ''Merely has disbelief in Gods'' when conditions get tough for them or dispersing as lone amoeboids which ever is most useful.

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Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk

First thing you need to understand is that.... there is such a thing as secular spirituality independent of religion. Hmmm..difficult?! Thought so.

Once you get past that...you need to get off your rocking chair and start doing some Yoga, Pranayama and meditations. Not necessarily in the Himalayas but in you own town will do. Also, some charity work, fasting, preferably move towards vegetarianism.

After some years of that...you can take up study of Samkhya and Yoga philosophies. Maybe also Vedanta, Jainism and Buddhism while you are about it.

Once you are through with all this...you will automatically understand what I am talking about.

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Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk

IMO many of the atheists (New and Old...what's the difference?) are not just repetitive bores but they also lack vision and insight. Intelligent perhaps but no wisdom. Sorry guys...no offence... :D

Britain in particular, being one of the pioneers in Science and modern thinking...seems to have gotten stuck in its own success and glory. Science is the new 'religion'. Britishers seem to be resting on their laurels and wallowing in their atheism as though it is some sort of a path breaking new find that no one has thought of before.

This is a pity because atheism is as old as the hills but lacks any true insight or comprehensive perspective. It lacks integration and a big picture view. Most recent atheists are looking out of a window that someone like Dawkins or Harris have shown them and believe that the little window gives them access to all the world, beyond which there cannot possibly be anything else.

I guess it will change in the coming decades.

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

You are still thinking in material terms.

My free will is adequately demonstrated by the fact that I have used my gift of free will in the way God intended - to freely accept Jesus as my Saviour and Redeemer. Can you seriously believe that this could all be done by my subconscious brain activity? Seriously?

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'andles for forks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

God is love Dicky and therefore God is morality. God is the moral standard. Who'd have thought that eh, certainly not the materialists who would have us look for somekind of physical phenomenon or an element Moralanium. Legalists would have the law without the spirit of the law.
Loveists have the spirit of the law.

Morality cannot be an impersonal sort of thing we are all, on a moral day, homeostatically trying trying to achieve. Be Holy says the Bible. In terms of temporal morality we are not expert at all. Now that may not sound like out fault but it is because we are talking about moral expertise which is a different domain from knowledge or skill.

Moral irrealism is a non starter because it has no power or ability for moral arbitration and as for morality being taste, well.

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Sriram #fundie religionethics.co.uk


(Discussing video posted by poster supposedly showing soul leaving body )


Yes....even I was sitting next to my father and FIL as they passed away....and I did not see anything leaving the body. If we could actually see the soul/spirit we wouldn't be discussing it in this manner would we?!

We cannot see or hear or feel the spirit/soul and that's the whole point. It is said that, under some special circumstances, especially if the person who died is fairly young, the soul can be felt or even seen. These are unknown phenomena...so going into intricate details is not meaningful.

In the first video the guys on the scene obviously did not 'see' anything. But one of them seems to have felt something as he extended his hand through the soul ....or so it seemed to me.

Also FYI, black souls mean not very evolved souls (more selfish) while white soul means more developed and loving. :)

Maybe the videos are fake...but since I believe in souls/spirits and life after death...I have no reason to assume so. Souls are normal!

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Spud #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Under the Noahic covenant the Christian God sanctions the restraint of violence using force, whereas the god of islam wants the whole world converted to itself either by persuasion or by force
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'Andles for forks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Ah, but observation of Leprechauns is observation is it not. And presumably if one has been seen another could be videoed and yet another caught and examined.
The divine is not observable in the same way. If you are going to accept the principle of interconversion from the supernatural to the natural then at some point observation in the classic sense becomes possible......and somehow that has fallen under your Radar.

These, I would have thought were the rules of engagement on this board.
That there was a method for the so called physical and arguments for the philosophical and metaphysical.

I understand that this makes things hard for the physicalist but hey you pays your money and you takes your choice.

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Spud #fundie religionethics.co.uk

If there weren't loads of witnesses who could verify the story, the church would have fizzled out, surely. There must have been an effort made to verify it, as there was with the Hillsborough disaster. The Jews seemed so intent on eradicating Christianity that it was 300 ad before it was formally accepted as the truth.

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Sassy #fundie religionethics.co.uk

The argument you present in itself does not and cannot define the truths and power of God. Nor can it contain an answer
to the actual events which come to pass. Need new arguments the one you bring to the table outdated.


Circular reasoning cannot raise the dead. Circular reasoning cannot heal the sick... Are you sure you are not brain washed
and hiding behind words because you don't understand the persons God, Christ and the Holy Spirit? Circular reasoning in no way
can explain who they are individually or the works men have done because of them. Circular reasoning is redundant you are wearing the altogether as far as the kings new clothes.


You see above the circular reasoning is man made and did not exist till after God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. You explain God,
Christ and the Holy Spirit without using someone elses reasoning or words. The truth is you cannot which means you are not in a
position to make judgements about things you cannot reason for yourself.


You don't have a reasoning... You cannot even explain who God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, are. You cannot even reason for yourself
you use stupid and unintelligent words like 'circular arguments' because you are ignorant of the truth
about the subjects at hand.

Your last paragraph is just stupid. The rest of your post is you just trying to reflect your own beliefs about subjects (you know
absolutely nothings about) on to them. You use 'man-made' arguments without any real understanding of them and think somehow it proves your disbelief. Nothing really blinding there.

The end and beginning is God. The only circular argument which is a circular argument that begins and ends on a truth. The greatest proof that God exists and always will whatever you believe that existence to be, is that no one has managed to do away with the belief.
The reason for that, is no science and no man can disprove his existence. It isn't a fallacy and therefore it exists because it is
the only circular reasoning which is based on truth. A truth your writing about him acknowledges he will always exist.

Being clever is not about what you think you know. It is about what knowing what you know about whom you know. @ Sassy.

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Alan Burns #fundie religionethics.co.uk

It is explained using the considerable God given intelligence of human beings like Dawkins et al to think up imaginary scenarios and computer generated simulations which assume that this tiny speck of the universe can supply an apparently limitless amount of randomly generated beneficial mutations to drive the evolutionary process.

The verifiable evidence can only confirm evolution as a fine tuning method for facilitating the survival of already complex living entities.
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