Cishet a-spec people don't belong in the lgbt community. It's not a way of saying ace people are not valid, but if you are cishet you don't belong in the community. This is a community created by and for people who are trans and or sga and therefore are victims of homophobia and or transphobia. It's not that hard. I don't want cishets in my community and safe spaces.
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I'm neither gay nor a part of the community, so I'm not really qualified to argue this, but doesn't 'cis-het' mean 'heterosexual and not a transsexual'?
OK, such people are not LGBT by definition. However, both common sense and anecdotal evidence suggests that straight women friends provide a vital function in the community of gay men. (The facts being that men need women - even gay men - and many lesbians don't want to hang out around men, even gay ones.)
Note to other commenters: 'Ace' is asexual.
Ok, so they're comparing asexuals to cisgendered heterosexuals? Even though the main traits of Hetero folks is sexual attraction to the opposite sex and asexuals don't operate on physical attractions in that way. Alrighty, sounds legit.
Lol! 'Your' community? You're not a dictator. And I, as a gay man, welcome asexuals and others to be part of our community. So fuck you. And not in the good, gay way.
@1959877
people unite for support structure or common goals, not because they both minorities.
If you mean by technical definition of lgbt, then and only then yes. Also heard this one fuckoo rhetoric before... how was this called? Ah yes, bihets. This odious idea that simply because I`m a bisexual who choose a man for her life mate I`m betraying the lgbt community. Why the fuck would you people try so hard to distance people from a worthy cause of supporting our hodgepodge group of misfits?
I guess hundreds of years of others imposing their personal views on what you can and can't do didn't quite fucking register as a bad thing then?
When you are the entire LGBT community, you can dictate what the entire community does, and not before. You are perfectly free to do what you want, and I recognise you may have good reasons for your position. However, shock horror, other groups in the LGBT community have an equal right to do what they see as right.
I guess that's why I prefer the LGBTA community...
Also, and more importantly, asexual people are not heterosexual.
I suggest you stay off-line and communicate with humans instead of labels. Real people, sex and sexual history immaterial - get to know some of them, talk about something else rather than your sexual situation, and don't spend all your time in an exclusive little whiner's club.
It's Tumblr, that's your main problem right there.. nothing these idiots say makes sense anymore. And I'm saying that as someone who is Genderqueer and Asexual. I just know better than to use my identity like a weapon against straights.
These people are so backwards they would have any cis, hetero, white male beaten in the streets if you let them.
It's a community, not a phylum. In MY community, gay, straight, bi, a, trans, queer, and anyone else who supports sexual/gender freedom is welcome.
I've encountered people who will actively argue that LGBT is only for people who experience same-sex sexual attraction.
I'm thinking that the LGBTQA+++ label is not useful anymore, when the idea is that everyone who is not 'Cis-Het' or 'straight' is an outcast. Why bother forming a letter-salad to encompass all but one orientation? We need something new that covers everyone who's threatened, harmed, or erased by the narrow mold of 'acceptability' in our society.
This sounds like someone whinging that society as a whole needs to be more inclusive, while stating that their own little group is Speshul, and can be as non-inclusive, hateful and bigoted against everyone they please, because they are a minority. This is the sort of hypocrisy that makes SJW's an increasingly hated group.
I swear, hearing (or reading) about 'safe spaces' makes me flinch. And as a bi male, lemme just say that the 'community' could do with a bit more of that acceptance and tolerance people are so vocal about. Asexuals are as welcome as any other.
Yeah, because excluding people who are not like you have worked so well in the past, right?
(I get that it can be nice to just be among your "peers" for a while, to be "one of the normal" there, but if you start nit-picking who's enough non-cis, you'll soon become like the one you despise...)
Asexuals aren't cis-het by definition.
That being said I've never felt much attuned to the 'community', it's never been for me and I've never felt the need for it in my personal life. If, however, an asexual person has felt the need for that community, for that support, then who are you to deny them that?
The LGBT community exists through a common experience of marginalisation and discrimination, and your response is to marginalise and discriminate against others? Real dick move, there.
As we all know, gender dysphoria and sexuality are unrelated issues, but victims of discrimination due to both unite under the common title of the LGBT community, due to a mutual suffering, and for mutual support. Fuck you for kicking someone else to the kerb because they don't fit your arbitrary categories of 'trans', 'gay', or 'bi'.
Because what this world really need is more seperation and more focus on the differences between us. I understand the comfort that people find in association with people like themselves, but each of us withdrawing into our little 'safe spaces', subdividing into smaller and smaller groups, and walling out the world doesn't solve anything. It only makes things worse, eventually turning you into the very thing you're running away from. The only safe space we need to fight for is the world at large, where each of us can live openly, as we are, without judgement or persecution from others.
I don't see how an asexual person attracted to people of the opposite gender would count as LGBT+. Nobody's ever attacked asexuals for being asexuals, it's something literally no one gives a fuck about if you don't like relationships with any gender.
But whatever, I'm not asexual, I'm not LGBT, I guess I don't have an opinion.
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That's not exactly true. My best friend in high school was asexual. She often got treated worse than me. Always by other girls. The guys didn't seem to have a problem though. I certainly understood what she was going through. It's how we became best friends.
The other thing is the LGBT community has always been a sort of collective fight for any non-heterosexual person. By your logic, the TV should definitely be dropped, and perhaps even the B.
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