The end of the crusades witnessed another downfall in humans, during the crusades there was hope the europeans put aside their differences and foguht against a common enemy to protect their religous beliefs in the one nad ONLY God. when this came to an end the church split putting an end to any hopes of another succesful crusade to stop the Muslim invaders.
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Yes, particularly BECAUSE MOST OF THE COUNTRIES THEY INVADED HAD A SIGNIFICANT CHRISTIAN POPULATION OR WERE PLAINLY CHRISTIAN. And what do you think the muslims do?, they also pray to ONE GOD. And the split of the church happened one hundred years after the so-called crusade. No sense. And read a little history and don´t see so many movies.
Well, you have to see all the fundy revisionisms. For example, they consider rights to tread other people rights to enhance their priviledges, or they consider offense to Christianity not to be Christian. So, they may well consider invasion the mere fact of not being Christian. After all, they intruded into their sacred right of massacring all those who didn´t believe in God in the known world of the time.
I'll have you know that I am European, and that I never "foguhted" anyone!
The "one nad ONLY" God? Another similarity between Adolf and Jehovah... Is God's other one also in Albert Hall? (a cookie if you get the reference)
EDIT: damn, I was too slow!
Europeans weren't protecting their religious beliefs, their actions were in reply to the Byzantine Empire asking the Pope for help after losing a great deal of territory. The Byzantine Empire was not Catholic (although they were Christian) so by fighting what they passed off as a "just" war against heretics had nothing to do with banding together. They could've done nothing and they would've been fine, but Europe's population was expanding and gaining more territory as well as taking advantage of the Byzantine Empire's weakness was too great a temptation - Florence later looted Constantinople and killed countless Christians.
Meanwhile, the reason for the later split between the church was manyfold. However, the short version is that people were disgusted with how the Catholic church was being run. They had set themselves up as emperors, living in luxury, raising money by selling indulgences, and being corrupt through the buying and selling of Papal seats. People's objection to this was that the Bible said they should strive to live like Jesus who would not be living like the Priests of the time did. In comes the Protestant Reformation and Martin Luther. The Church and the emperor want him dead, but Frederick of Saxony hid him. During Luther's hiding he continued to write books and the Luther church grew. Now, here's the kicker. The emperor wanted to rid the Holy Roman Empire of Luther's church, but the Ottoman Empire was expanding into his territory and he needed the support of everyone under him in order to combat them as they had reached as far as Vienna. In order to do so he made peace through the Diet of Speyer which allowed each State to practice their own religion and if you disagreed with it you could move to another State. In the end, the Ottoman Empire was pushed back and he went back on his word, but those who grew to support Martin Luther in that time banded together and fought with the emperor for 25 years until he relented.
So, basically the act of joining together to fight the Muslims led to them being unable to focus on their inner "problems" and allowed a "problem" to spread out of control. Granted, this was actually necessary for the defense of European Catholics, (unlike the crusades) but had they spent less time getting killed in Jerusalem as well as less time looting Constantinople, they might've actually been able to defend Europe from attack and strengthen it's borders so it didn't spread that far. Or *gasp* they could've just left it alone and let the Byzantine Empire defend itself. Although, in truth the spread of the Ottoman Empire had to do with them using gunpowder while Europe's fighting techniques were less advanced. Regardless, the split between Christianity had nothing to do with the Crusades as you would know if you spent more time reading history books and less time pulling fictional ones out of your ass.
Well, you're absolutely right. Except, of course, for everything you just said. Read a history book, the Byzantine split occured before the Crusades were done, and one of the Crusades never even got to the Holy Land, but instead sacked Constantinople....a Christian city.
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Gee whiz, we coulda killeded lots more muslims if we put on another crusade, most of us 'Killers for Khrist' weren't alive back then. Dang, I'm never gonna get to slaughter infidels. Rats!
Originally posted by Eggbert's Waffles:
when this came to an end the church split putting an end to any hopes of another succesful crusade to stop the Muslim invaders.
You idiot - the church split BEFORE the Crusades. Have you heard of this thing called the Great Schism? It happened in 1054 when Eastern Orthodox Christianity split from Western Roman Catholic Christianity. The first Crusade declaration was not made until 1095. Learn some history, please.
when this came to an end the church split putting an end to any hopes of another succesful crusade to stop the Muslim invaders.
And that, my friends, is why Europe is predominantly Muslim today.
"The end of the crusades witnessed another downfall in humans, during the crusades there was hope the europeans put aside their differences and foguht against a common enemy to protect their religous beliefs in the one nad ONLY God."
First, God and Allah are the same God.
Second, Europeans did not "put aside their differences." Many European Jews were slaughtered by crusaders on the way to the "holy land." Also, I'm sure that many Europeans didn't actually believe in Xian dogma, but were too scared of the Church to speak out against it.
"when this came to an end the church split putting an end to any hopes of another succesful crusade to stop the Muslim invaders."
The Xian Church had splits before the crusades and after the crusades, fucktard.
when this came to an end the church split
My prediction is that EW here has simply never heard of the Eastern Orthodox church. Most ignorant fundies never have, they think there's only Catholics and Protestants. Shit, before 9/11 none of them even knew what Islam was.
Second, Europeans did not "put aside their differences." Many European Jews were slaughtered by crusaders on the way to the "holy land."
And, more significantly in terms of numbers of deaths, quite a few wars were fought between various Christian countries and principatilities during the period of the major crusades. Hell, a two-digit number of crusades were launched at the Hussites, who were European Christian (if heretical).
Yeah, glorifying the Crusades isn't such a hot idea, Eggbert. Several Crusades were launched against heterodox Christians, and others against Muslims never reached the Holy Land at all. The ones that did captured territory but eventually lost it and were pushed out again. For the most part, the Crusades were a huge, crushing FAILURE for Christendom, sort of like the war in Iraq is for us today.
"the one nad ONLY God"
Lance Armstrong?
Confused?
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