The question you did not ask was; Is God justified in killing these people.
If God is who He says He is, then He is justified in all that He does. He is the ultimate standard for what is just and unjust.
He can kill who He pleases and is righteous in doing it.
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The ultimate dictator.
(providing there was one) How does anyone know if god is insane. Aren't we made in his image? We suffer the same emotions of rage and anger as he, what's to say that he hasn't lost his fucking mind? Mysterious ways? Nope, he's just mentally unbalanced, you never know when a crazy guy is going to do something bizarre.
"If God is who He says He is, then He is justified in all that He does."
Riiiight. And if I say who I think I am...? Keep on goosestepping.
Well, the second sentence is 100% accurate. If God exists, and he is, in fact, the God the Bible claims him to be, than any action he undertakes is justifibale simply because of who he is.
The problem comes from the fact that that is a mighty big assumption to make, and killing people based on an unprovable assumption is just bloody insane.
"Well, the second sentence is 100% accurate. If God exists, and he is, in fact, the God the Bible claims him to be, than any action he undertakes is justifibale simply because of who he is."
How the fuck does that work?
The only sentence I'd agree at all with is the third:
(If the god of the bible exists) He is the ultimate standard for what is just and unjust.
Non Homog, what I mean is that if the Bible is 100% accurate, and if the nutty fundie interpretation of it is also 100% accurate, then we are all essentially just God's action figures, to do with as he pleases. Their approach reduces us all to God's property, his possessions. And he can do what he likes to his property. He can burn us, drown us, torture us, let his wicked little cousin Lucifer shred us. Anything he likes because we are simply not important, we are things , objects he created for his own amusement and entertainment.
Which is why I hate that interpretation of God and the Bible.
Well, he is not a standard. He is not a buddy who comes and says, hey guys, do this or that. I mean, if it were so, it would be like Zeus or Odin or Apollon. What is faith for then?
"The question you did not ask was; Is God justified in killing these people.
If God is who He says He is, then He is justified in all that He does."
If "God" is who the Bible claims he is (love itself, all good), then the question wouldn't have to be asked.
"He is the ultimate standard for what is just and unjust."
But, you are assuming "God" is who or what the Bible claims. There is no evidence for that. Truly, there is no evidence for the existence of "God." Certainly, if "God" does exist, he is not good and loving, love itself, omniscient nor omnipotent."
"He can kill who He pleases and is righteous in doing it."
No, killing whomever he pleases makes "God" an asshole, not righteous.
Insert theological fundybabble here:
Given, we received "Knowledge of Good and Evil" in the Garden and this made us like God, and we got kicked out for it, shouldn't the least we can do be to exercise our Godly wisdom and knowledge to judge our peer.
[/theological fundybabble]
Put the sick fuck on trial.
"If God is who He says He is, then He is justified in all that He does. He is the ultimate standard for what is just and unjust. "
The question you did not ask is, what if your supposed god isn't who he says he is? What if he is really satan in diguise? What if there is nobody there at all, just a continuation of a scam someone was running 2000 years ago?
I don't think this guy is fundie: he said "If" which means that he doubts the bible's description to some degree, and allows for logical reasoning. His statement is actually correct, because "who he says he is" is some one who knows everything and as such is qualified to make moral decisions that humans aren't. "He" also describes himself as the only one who can judge, because he can't be wrong. Meaning that anything he does is automatically justified. Now, I agree that this is a fallacious assumption, but most fundies don't actually state their assumptions; they usually just state their arguement.
Okay, so how do you know that god is who he says he is? Wait, let me guess: he wrote it in the bible? If so, I will take this sheet of paper here [takes paper] and write this on it:
The Jamo is the one true god of this universe. He is who he says he is because it is written here on this paper. If you have questions about the validity of this written claim, consult The Jamo.
Wow. It's easy being god.
Sorry, buddy. Morality is an objective thing causing suffering is bad, whether you're God or not. God, if he exists, cannot be a standard for morality and kill; the two are mutually exclusive. (Of course, this presumes God is omnipotent as they like to claim, and thus exempt from tough situations that require self-defense.)
@Pike
So this person is proud to be a follower of a insane homicidal maniac?! No wonder their morality meter is so screwed up.
My thinking is that fundies simply have no morality. They never learn about it. Their parents never teach them. When they use the word "moral," what they really mean is "in line with God's rules." To them, God makes rules. They may be arbitrary, but God has a right to make them simply because he has the physical power to enforce them. They use the word "morality" to refer to these rules, making it an unconventional usage. To them, God cannot be "immoral" because he makes the rules and he never makes any rules that restrict himself. It's a double standard, but he has the right to make a double standard because he has the physical power to enforce his whims. To them atheists are always "immoral" because we deny that God exists and by extension deny that he makes rules that must be followed. When we try to point out that atheists can be moral, it's futile we're both using the word "morality" but we mean completely different things.
They keep using that word. I do not think it means what I think they think it means.
Anyway, my guess may be oversimplified (read: wrong) but I think it's got at least a little basis in fact. Of course, I didn't do my research, and it is a semijoke.
@SandmanNon Homog, what I mean is that if the Bible is 100% accurate, and if the nutty fundie interpretation of it is also 100% accurate, then we are all essentially just God's action figures, to do with as he pleases. Their approach reduces us all to God's property, his possessions. And he can do what he likes to his property. He can burn us, drown us, torture us, let his wicked little cousin Lucifer shred us. Anything he likes because we are simply not important, we are things, objects he created for his own amusement and entertainment.
Actually, that isn't really true. Even if God created us to be his playthings, even if God is omnipotent, and even if the world worked the way this fundie thinks it does, God still wouldn't have the right to do anything he wants. The moment your creations become conscious, you cease to own them and you lose your right to control them. Morality is an objective thing even if this fundie's worldview was right, God still wouldn't get a free pass.
SoldierUnderCommand, and those like him, are loaded weapons with their safeties off, actively seeking the hand that will point them at an enemy and use them.
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