I’ve been talking with my husband about this, asking what would it look like to see our society get back to normal. Would it have to be a grassroots effort? Would it involve a spiritual revival?
We saw a speaker at our church last week, who was herself once a self-proclaimed lesbian. She has since renounced that lifestyle after she accepted Christ and no longer identifies as anything but a Christian. She made an interesting statement. She said the LGBT community is so focused on acceptance because they are well aware that they stand on shaky ground. Most of its gains resulted from top-down (legislative) wins and that is the worst way to bring about lasting social change.
Again, I’m just trying to envision how this will ever turn around. The only example I can think of is the repeal of prohibition.
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You're right, legislation isn't the best way. But all the people who live in the backward states, that is, anything south of the Mason-Dixon Line, keep dragging their feet on any social progress. It's as if they cannot be happy unless they have somebody to oppress. I see no reason why the progressive states should have to wait until Alabama catches up, because we know darn well that's never gonna happen.
>implying there wasnt decades of lgbt grassroots movements to be accepted and change the laws with pressure from the majority of people that approve of gay marriage now
its like the right doesnt understand history
the LGBT community is so focused on acceptance because they are well aware that they stand on shaky ground
Several years ago, the Church of England clergy peers in the House of Lords dropped their opposition to same-sex marriage: probably due to the glaring hypocrisy in their attempts to do so when the authoriser of their - and thus your - KJV & then head of the C-of-E King James I was as gay as they come. Because they were well aware of this, thus their ensuring the legislation was rubber-stamped by MPs in the House of Commons & the 2013 Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act entered the statute book and became law. Since then, the C-of-E stated that boys had every right in the world to wear tiaras & tutus if they so wished: did King James I wear the kind of clothing worn by hetero sexual men in the US in the 21st Century...?!
The Church of England has never been on more solid ground. And all because their clergy in Parliament brought about lasting change.
Because of who authorised their: and thus your KJV, the only ones on shaky ground are you & all your ilk, OP.
Also, Ted Faggard. NEXT!
I suspect "repeal of prohibition" in this context means something along the lines of "tearing down the wall between church and state". Or at the very minimum, they might see suffering consequences for religious and/or social oppression to be a form of prohibition. Of course they don't see this oppression as oppression any more than most people would raising a child as oppressing the child, as they consider it their duty to teach society the right path and punish those who do not follow it. That being said, cultures, subcultures, religions sects and denominations, and other forms of demographics are not *at all* like individual children, so it really is oppression most of the time.
We saw a speaker at our church last week, who was herself once a self-proclaimed lesbian. She has since renounced that lifestyle after she accepted Christ and no longer identifies as anything but a Christian.
Three possibilities:
(1) She was born bisexual or experimented in college with women, and then decided to swear off women to focus on men.
(2) She still is a lesbian and is celibate and miserable.
(3) (Most likely) She is a total liar about ever being a lesbian.
'cause there was never a lesbian in your lifetime?
Stop pretending this ideal prudish world was ever the norm. it in itself was a sick repressed forced dynamic, the type of world that Duggars and Huckabees thrive in. Filthy fake worlds rife with perversion.
The repeal of Prohibition? You mean the same Prohibition that religious conservatives defended and pushed as vehemently as they push for anti-lgbtq legislation now? The repeal of which was granted thanks to progressives who rightly believed that imposing religious morality through law was wrong?
Also, LGBTQ people have always existed. There are historical accounts of them - even same-sex weddings - from before English existed as a language.
What the repeal of prohibition showed was that it's impossible to keep people from doing what they want to do through legislation. Prohibition of anything has never worked. Just ask yourself, "If the government prohibited Christianity tomorrow, would it make me stop worshiping, or would it just force it underground?"
Oh, so what prohibition would that be? If you mean alcohol Prohibition, the US repealed that law in 1933. If you mean the laws prohibiting homosexuality, the sodomy laws, as you probably do, my state repealed that prohibition in 1984 - which was most appropriate, since those laws were so Orwellian. More recently, that law was repealed in Trinidad, in April this year.
Nevertheless, even with SSM legal is more and more countries this century, LGBT people do still "stand on shaky ground" - mostly thanks to religious bigots like you. And this NOT normal.
"You can't make people good by act of parliament, that is something" - Oscar Wilde.
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