Evolution is unscientific for many reasons.
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1. Yes, there is. Literally tons of it. Fossils, perhaps you've heard of them?
2. I gave myself a headache trying to untangle this spaghetti of words. But it sure smells like typical fundie bullsht.
3. Yes, reality has a habit of contradicting the Bible. Your definition of "rational" clearly differs from the real world's.
1. Don't Fundies know how to use google? because I sure as heck know they would find something if they typed in "evidence for evolution".
2. The thing is, evolution does not HAVE to prove that the laws of nature stay consistent.
3. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that God couldn't work through Evolution. I don't understand the stubborn science-denial of you Fundies. How hard is it to believe that your omnipotent God could be clever enough to create the laws of nature, and, by extension, all the mechanics and processes we observe?
Listen, Jason, just because you are a theist does not mean you have to hide your head in the sand whenever the word "science" is mentioned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre
But, of course, that guy was one of those filthy Catholics, so doesn't count, eh?
1. There are mountains of evidence for evolution, but you choose to ignore it.
2. This is as stupid as saying that evolution is false because it can't explain the theory of relativity.
3. If science contradicts the bible, guess which one is wrong?
Jason Lisle is full of crap for many reasons.
1) he pontificates on evolution while demonstrating he knows jack shit about it.
2) He fails to provide any rational basis for rejecting evolution.
3) He contradicts observable reality.
4) He rejects the science that invented the internet that he uses to post his blog-o-bilge.
Except that evolution has been observed and documented by multiple independent biologists, farmers, dog breeders, etc.
There is no evidence for evolution?!?!? WTF?
Are you literate? Numerate? Able to talk to people without every third word being "god"? Then go to a local public library (it's free), ask for a high school-level biology text and read the chapter marked Evolution. Disregard all the BS marked Intelligent Design.
See, that wasn't so hard.
Kitzmiller vs. Dover says otherwise, Mike.
You want to say to the Honourable Judge John E. Jones's face that he's a liar , you go right ahead. It's your bank balance's funeral, pal.
The US legal system takes a very dim view of allegations of Perjury , you know.
' Therefore the Christian has a rational basis for doing science', you say? Judge John E. Jones III - who made that precedent-setting & agenda-annihilating decision - is a Conservative Christian himself, appointed to the Federal bench by George Dumbya Bush, a Creation-believing Conservative Christian, in turn voted in - twice - by Creation-believing Conservative Christians like you .
Yes, that's right: you . You made your legal bed, now lie in it.
There is no evidence for it.
Except, there is...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species
The information is out there, and it's not that hard to find. Google is your friend.
Why does the universe behave in a consistent way that we are able to predict?
Aaaand that would be a physics question
You really don't know what evolution is do you?
It contradicts the Bible
Why yes, yes it does.
1) Actually, there is. You can even remove every fossil we have and we STILL have more than enough evidence to confirm that evolution happened. The genetic evidence is actually much STRONGER than the fossil evidence.
2) Given that the universe isn't subject to biological evolution, it's no wonder evolution doesn't explain the laws that govern the universe. You may as well be asking the Theory of Gravity to fix your car; in fact, you'd be better off doing that since gravity at the very least ACTS on your car.
3) The Bible provides a basis for uniformity? The same Bible that states that the Sun can stand still in the sky for 24 hours? The same Bible that claims that people can rise from the dead? The same bible that claims that donkeys can up and start talking? The Bible shows anything BUT uniformity. You literally can't count on the Sun rising every day.
In answer to number 2. From the evidence we have, either the universe has always behaved consistently, or it has for a very long time. As such I think its fair to say that it will continue to behave in a consistent manner.
Yes the universe changes, but those changes have always been within the same set of laws. Now I will not say that the laws of the universe are set in stone (so to speak), but I would not expect them to change anytime soon. I'm not a physicist so somebody else is welcome to correct me on this.
That being said, evolution, while it may occur on a geological timescale, is a blink of an eye in astronomic timescale. So changing laws of nature (assuming universal scale) would be unlikely to occur during the relatively short (short being ~4 billion years) period that this lonely blue speck has been inhabited.
Micah you say there is no evidence for evolution. While we could say religious fundies such as yourself could be an argument against evolution, there is far more evidence organisms will adapt to their environment. But always remember that since you say evolution is not true, just use yourself and your stupidity and failures to argue against it.
The Bible states that the universe is upheld by the power of God, and God never changes, so we can expect that certain laws will never change either.
Oh good... that means the Earth is ~4.5 billion years old, that there was no flood, that Humanity originated in Africa not the Middle East...
You've just shown the Bible is badly error-ridden... so what now? Do we believe the word of a book that you've just proven to be seriously wrong in places?
:edit: Almost forgot... one of the things God declared was that to get a striped goat, all you had to do was make goats mate while looking at a striped stick... Whether God changes or not is pretty irrelevant at this point, as he is clearly either insane or a fucking MORON!!!
regarding #1, you mean no evidence other than the fossil record and fossil transitional series; genetic and peptide homologies; conserved retro-viral insertions, SNAP's, pseudogenes, transposons; convergence of independent phylogenies; atavisms; vestigial anatomic features; biogeographic distribution of species...etc., etc. (including direct observations of evolution occurring in living populations)?
RE: "Evolution cannot provide a rational reason to believe in unchanging laws of nature", that isn't anything evolutionary theories were derived to do. They instead provide predictive and comprehesnive models which explaining the body of eivdence regarding the observed biological diversity of living species.
RE: contradicting the bible, you're speaking as if the bible had been demonstrated to possess some inherent authority, or to be an accurate depiction of nature of the physical universe. Neither is true.
1) There is. There is a metric shit-ton. You choose to ignore it as loudly as possible. You move the goalposts. You make wild conspiracies about why it's an elaborate series of perfectly coinciding fakes made by evil scientists. You invent new ways to be stupid to deliberately misinterpret it.
2) You know what one definition of insanity is? To expect a different outcome every single time when recreating the same scenario repeatedly. Evolution is the adaptation to an environmental constant. The same scenario played infinitely for a species in a region. Why would every single creature adapt in some wildly divergent manner with the same biology facing the same conditions? That is by definition insane.
3) Wizards!!! Or ULTIMATE WIZARD OF OMNIPOTENCE!!! Is not a rational basis for uniform development... or anything else really. God never changes? Ha! He is as fickle as the believer's personal opinion on any given matter.
"Evolution cannot provide a rational reason to believe in unchanging laws of nature," You are absolutely correct.
Guess we'll have to throw out Ohm's Law, too, since it fails to predict the fundamental nature of the universe.
Science says that electron charge is the same whether you measure it in Sawbridgeworth or Shanghai. The computer you are using relies on this, If you don't like it:
Fuck off. Reality does not give a shit.
Evolution can ONLY take place against a background of unchanging natural laws. If the laws of nature constantly changed this would result in random change only and not evolution.
Survival of the fittest, ie those most fitted for a certain environment can only take place if that environment stays relatively constant for a period of time
Continuously changing natural laws and hence environments would make evolution impossible.
It is not a case that evolution makes constant natural laws impossible, but that consistent natural laws are the only thing that make evolution possible
Just had another look at Genesis chapter one.
Without meaning to be facetious,one could make a serious case that the biblical account of creation actually supports the idea of natural selection by survival of the fittest for a particular environment rather than contradicts it
"[Change in allele frequency over time] cannot provide a rational reason to believe in unchanging laws of nature..."
Yeah, no, you have no idea what evolution even is .
Also in the Biblical account the environments are created first and then the creatures to inhabit those environments come later.
This is seeming increasingly like the Theory of Evolution the more you look at it
1. That's funny, it was here a minute ago.
2. You seem to understand Backwards Day quite well! Science provides the basis for ToE, not the other way around. I am proof my parents exist(ed), but they are not proof that I exist.
3. God commanded Abraham to kill his son, then backed off. Your whole triune god myth is about transformation. Your god allegedly made all the rules of physics then went around breaking them at will. He is the ultimate superman. He transforms water into wine, turns himself into a burning bush, gets hit in the head with an anvil and is unharmed.... Oh wait, that last is a cartoon.... Never mind, it's all a cartoon! So much for uniformity!
Also in Genesis the animals come first and man arrives last of all after the environments,the plants and the animals exactly as Darwin says.
Sometimes I think these fundies have never even read the Bible.
Also for creationists ,what was stopping God creating everything simultaneously in one instant rather than in the same above sequence as stated both in the Bible and the Theory of Evolution.
I literally burst out laughing when I read the first point.
Oh, evolution and Christianity are not mutually exclusive. Just evolution and your particular flavor of fundamentalism...
While talking snakes
ALL scientific, proven facts.
Why?
Cause it says so in the bable...
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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