I don't understand how people can be for women's and gay's rights but at the same time love and support Islam.
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It's a concept that's almost impossible for most conservatives to understand: live and let live. How other people run their personal lives is none of your business. Giving everyone the best chance to succeed works to society's benefit. The only laws we need are those protecting society as a whole -- don't kill, don't steal, don't drive 90mph down residential streets, don't dump poison into the land and water, etc.
No one ever says, "We need a law prohibiting behavior X, because without a law I can't stop doing it." It's always, "We need a law prohibiting behavior X, because my neighbor is doing it and I don't like it."
Well I for one don't love Islam. Nor do I support it, at least not any more than I support the right of anyone to practice whatever religion they want. But see, I'm not an intolerant asshole. Even though it's something I don't believe in, I still support the rights of others to believe it. And while I'll never, ever marry a man, I support the rights of others to do so if they want.
What I don't understand is how Christians claim to practice a religion of love and then express so much hatred.
Well, if they're Muslim, they do need to have a somewhat cavalier attitude toward their religion. That is, a willingness to ignore certain passages in their holy book that condemn homosexuality etc. Same goes for Christians and Jews.
In other words, they have to be moderate rather than fundie ;)
If they're not Muslim, they would either have to not know what Muslim texts have to say on these subjects, or they just mean that they support moderate Islam. You know, the sort where people don't take every bit of scripture as literal truth that they must follow at all times.
@VMan
Actually the Hebrews never condemned homosexuality until Christians got into power and started ame prong with their holy books.
By in large the Jewish community has no problem with homosexuality and Israel is one of the biggest pro gay countries out there.
Easy; We don't conflate normal Muslims with kooks like DAESH! We also believe everyone (even very conservative and even wingnut people) have the right to believe any faith they choose (as long as they don't impose it on the masses or hurt people).
Finally; "I believe that Muslims have the right to exist" does not mean, "I love Islam!".
I swear that Ultra-Black & White thinking is a disease!
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@Doubting Thomas
What I don't understand is how Christians claim to practice a religion of love and then express so much hatred.
Beats me; Jesus has the worst Mis-Aimed Fandom ever!
@#2181861
Um, care to provide some citation for that? Because as far as I know, the anti-homosexuality bits in Leviticus are Old Testament - that is, Torah, the Hebrew Bible.
@VMan
Leviticus has been mistranslated in the anti-homosexuality bits for the past four hundred years.
You look at the ancient Hebrew and the more accurate, word for word, translation is; "Don't lie with a man in a woman's bed".
I can link you to one of the studies. This one was done by a friend of mine who has 40 years of experiance and study.
http://hoperemainsonline.com/Leviticus-1822/
His website has a contact form where his staff is quick to respond if you have further questions.
These translation issues are also coming to light with other scholars. Hence why fundies are up and arms about the possiblity of Levictus being mistranslated. This was months back by the way.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3hWiW8eooF0&feature=youtu.be
Because unlike right-wingers, we *actually* believe in religious freedom.
But also, funnily enough, the majority of Muslims in America seem to be positive about LGBTQIA+ rights, and are much more progressive than the hyper conservative, super religious fundies of the Middle East.
@#2181901
No, right-wingers believe in religious freedom, all right...they just usually mean a completely different thing by it than what you or I normally would. When the typical Christian right-wing fundie says "religious freedom" they mean the freedom to do whatever they want, even violating laws, as long as it's in the name of their religion. (and of course, it's often only their religion that they think should get that freedom) That's the main reason I prefer the phrase "freedom of religion." They don't seem to use that one NEARLY as much.
I'll never love or support any religion (such as Islam). I'll support a religious person though, if they need it. I could even love one... who knows?
People fail to see the difference.
My current boyfriend's Christian. I'm Atheist. We both have friends who are various strains of Pagan. This does not matter the slightest, because it doesn't need to. I'm reasonably certain that any of us would embrace a Muslim, provided they weren't militantly proselytizing and held no hate in their heart. I certainly would, at least.
Over the years, I have come to understand all too well why some people might be otherwise, without resorting to the usual judgmental crap that people dump on religious fundies (mostly I come here to mock incels and TERFs and political stupidity, though I don't mind taking potshots at exceptionally deranged religious fundies) but that doesn't mean that I like it or respect their views. If anything, I'm horrified for them and the people around them by the fact that they worship the bastard child of Mammon, Shub-Niggurath, and Big Brother and call it "God" when it bears little resemblance to the being worshiped by any Christian I know.
It's the same as to be for women's and gay's rights but at the same time love and support Christianity.
You can be for other people's rights, including the same freedom of/from religion that you enjoy.
Wanting to force your religion or your worldview onto others is not freedom of/from religion. It's abnormal, fundamentalist.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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