A lot of people thought of Dracula as a monster, but he's a hero to his people and to me (Dracula; Dracul was his father). He knew how to deal with the Muslim hordes the only way they could understand: sheer brutality and violence.
There was a large Muslim army that arrived at the Romanian border for an invasion. They saw Muslims lined up along the border, all impaled on stakes. Their leader said that they could not defeat a man this brutal, and they turned around and went home.
Another time, a Muslim diplomat arrived at Dracula's castle, and refused to remove his turban, stating that it went against his religion. Dracula had it nailed to his head; when in Rome, do as the Romans do.
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Let's just be clear about this. When you say "Dracula", do you mean Vlad III the Impaler or Dracula from Bram Stoker's novel? If you meant Vlad, you could have just used his actual name, to avoid confusion.
Vlad Tepes was infinitely worse than any "Muslim hordes". HE was the one who didn't understand any other way than sheer brutality and violence, and the more cultivated Ottoman armies recoiled in horror at the sight of a "forest" of stakes, with rotting corpses hanging from them. The leader probably said that they could not defeat a man this barbaric and savage .
Edit. After studying the Wikipedia page about Vlad, I see that he and his brother was educated in Constantinopel and studied the Quran and Turkish language and literature.
They saw Muslims lined up along the border, all impaled on stakes. Their leader said that they could not defeat a man this brutal, and they turned around and went home.
So the only way to defeat "evil" is to be even more evil?
Another time, a Muslim diplomat arrived at Dracula's castle, and refused to remove his turban, stating that it went against his religion. Dracula had it nailed to his head
Ah, so he's a violent bigot. THAT'S why you adore him so much.
"when in Rome, do as the Romans do."
Except when you go to Rome, right?
The historical Vlad the Impaler =/= 'Dracula' of the novel by Bram Stoker.
But then you think the Bible is non -fiction, so...!
...and I never knew Jonathan Harker was a Muslim ! [/hyper-smartarse] X3
@Canadiest
"Yes, Vlad Tepes was a hero"
Wait till John Doe here learns of the manga/anime "Dance in the Vampire Bund " [/Your Head A Splode] >:D
Never one to willingly give a fundie credit for getting anything right and not agreeing with one syllable of what John K wrote...
It appears from Wikipedia that Vlad the Impaler was actually known by his patronymic name of "Dracula".
"Another time, a Muslim diplomat arrived at Dracula's castle, and refused to remove his turban,"
Muslims don't wear turbans.
Centuries old woodcuts illustrate the scene, if one really cares what type of hat was worn. Vlad didn't care much for the Saxons in his country, either.
If this belongs in FSTDT, then pretty much every Romanian belongs there, because most of them view Vlad Tepes as a hero. As far as I can tell, it's more a matter of national pride than a religious thing, although in pre-Communist Romania it would be hard to separate the two ideologies. I don't have anything good to say about him, but I doubt that he was much worse than Roman occupation forces, Vikings, and many rulers.
@nazani14:
If this belongs in FSTDT, then pretty much every Romanian belongs there, because most of them view Vlad Tepes as a hero.
Perhaps, but this is apparently an American saying this only because Vlad targeted Muslims.
It may be true that Vlad was a hero of his people, but that doesn't mean that he wasn't a bastard, or that this man is basically praising him for committing acts of violence against a group of people that he happens to hate. Not to mention that he pretty much attacked everyone (as mentioned by others here already!).
@ Anon-e-Moose - Personally I prefer his depiction from 'Hellsing Ultimate'. Hot damn is that manga/series messed up (in a good way)!
My understanding is that Vlad the Impaler actually, er, impaled his own peoples' to imtimidate the approaching Ottoman armies. He thought merely putting his enemies heads on spike might be be bit too subtle.
On the other side of the Balkans there is another hero of resistance to the Ottomans in Gjergj Kastrioti aka Skanderbeg. He forged a national alliance of nobles and ran a successful guerrilla war during his lifetime and is a hero to his people. And while there are many tales of his heroism and martial prowess, by medieval standards, he was not a cruel ruler. Yet the Muslim-haters - there is no other word for them - prefer a tyrant so vicious that his reputation is known across Europe centuries after his death. I wonder why?
In point of fact, Vlad had a special hatred of the Turks, because he was their prisoner for years. He grew up as their prisoner; I suspect that may have colored many of his life's choices.
Was he brutal? Yes. It was a brutal age. He, in fact, didn't do much more than what the Church was doing at the time to heathens, witches, and any other enemies. The Turks weren't known for being nice to their enemies either.
It must also be noted that many of the stories are outright lies or immense exaggerations told by his enemies.
Sure, gruesome methods often work. During the American Revolution, when we invaded Canada, the Mohawk Indians (who supported the Brits) lined a trail with the decapitated heads of 4 captured American soldiers. Oddly enough, the American advance faltered. So gruesome sometimes works. On the other hand, it reduces effectiveness, increases PTSD, creates unforgiving enemies and destroys unit cohesion.
And do we line up the victims along the airport runways? Or along Broadway? The White House lawn?
No, we won't do it, because your comments to the contrary, WE AREN'T FUCKING SAVAGES!
when in Rome, do as the Romans do.
If I pay for your plane ticket to Rome, will you really act like him? I doubt it.
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As usual, fundies don't know their history. When Sultan Mehmet(Mehmed?) III led his army across the Wallachian border and marched to Dracula's capital, they found it deserted and the castle itself surrounded by 20,000-50,000 impaled corpses, mostly Turks. Mehmed was horrified and returned to Turkey but left his army in the command of his generals.
They didn't just tuck tail and run, dumbass. Shit, they outnumbered Vlad's men by ten to one. That's why Dracula almost exclusively fought using guerrilla tactics.
To be fair, Dracula had a very fucked up childhood. His hatred of the Turks might be traced to the fact that his younger brother, Radu, became part of Mehmed's harem before reaching adolescence. After he grew up, he became a commander in the Turkish army and turned against Dracula. Dracula himself may have been abused growing up.
"To all visitors from Transylvania looking for the head of Voivode Dracula: Yes, we have it. Yes, he's dead. No, you cannot see it. No, he will not return and invade you again. It has been over thirty years! Please stop pestering us!"
The reality is far more complex than "he was a Christian freedom fighter" or "he has the worst monster in history". He ruled a land that was invaded by christians and muslims alike. He had alliances with both, and was fucked over by both.
If history hadn't given him such a provocative title, he almost certainly would have been forgotten by those outside Eastern Europe as just another brutal warlord of the time. If we called Henry VII "Henry the Decapitator" or Leopold II "Leopold the Dismemberer", their place in popular memory would be quite different too.
Much of the alleged cruelty of Vlad Tepes seems to be propaganda anyways. There are accounts of him impaling 10,000 inhabitants of a town - which has to be bullshit because even large cities rarely had more than 5,000 to 8,000 inhabitants.
There was definitely a lot of torture and killing going on at his time, but remember that he was the ruler of a civil war torn country, which, on top of that, was threatened from two sides by foreign armies, in the late middle ages. So his actions, as gruesome as they may be, were probably not really out of the norm at that time.
That being said, the OP is still a dick.
@Lucilius
Not only did they wear turbans, but if you visit a Turkish cemetery you will see that the turban is carved onto the headstone to denote the rank of the deceased:
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@#1628353
You have a point. My favorites are the Byzantine Emperor Basil the Bulgar Slayer and the Portuguese king Manuel the Unfortunate.
@Triangle_Man, Rabbit of Caerbannog
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TURKISH army, not Muslim army, you retard.
I know the distinction is lost on these morons, but for god's sake, how can anyone think Muslims all work together all the time for centuries?
@Pmorg:
Pardon my French, been a good while since I used it, so it may be wrong:
Vous est un salaude.
It would be "vous êtes un salaud". Well, I wouldn't use "vous", which is polite form, but I like Hazelnut's suggestion; it has more bite than a simple "salaud".
Kinda ironic to see such a medieval barbarian on a site named American Renaissance ...
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