There is a guy at my church who is married with 2 children... HE IS NOT GAY, nor as far as I know ever been. However his voice and mannerisms are very, very feminine. There is no way you could look at this guy and think he was straight, yet he is. He talks against homosexuality and has even talked about where our country is headed with this and he doesn't like it. However he never mentions anything about his own highly feminine traits. Where do these traits come from? I'm sure he didn't practice and practice till he was able to act like a girl. I'm confused, how did he get to be so feminine? Where did these traits come from if he wasn't born with them? I don't understand this.
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I can explain it. Some guys are what is perceived as feminine by others in your culture. Those things happen.
Wow, all of two sentences to explain it, and one wasn't needed. Do I win a prize?
The effeminate man in your church is evidence of two things:
1. Evolution is correct.
It is a genetic mutation
2. Transitional "fossils"
He is a living transitional "fossil" so to speak and which you always ask to see. Well, you just did!
I've got loads of straight friends who are effeminate, and loads of gay friends (actually including myself there) who are comparatively masculine. Believe it or not: different people are different.
Mind you, as Stephen Colbert found out, sometimes we're not as clever as we think we are ;-)
wow, our little fundie is trying to understand things about reality! it almost brings a tear to my eye.
either a)closet, or b)grew up around many females. being around people who act a certain way a lot tends to make a person act that way, it is adaptation to fit in with the group, to survive.
[I'm confused, how did he get to be so feminine?]
He's a gay man that has been forced into the closet, is too afriad to come out, and is jealous of other openly gay men.
[Where did these traits come from if he wasn't born with them?]
He has the "traits" he's just surpressing them.
He's either a feminine straight guy (they exist--I'm dating one, as it happens) or he's far enough in the closet to have tea with Tumnus. Or he's bisexual, and chooses to suppress the homosexual aspects of his sex drive for the good of his family.
I know that it's confusing when people don't fit into your handy gender stereotypes. I can only imagine how you'd react if you ever met a "bear."
"It's Lyle, the Effeminate Hetero-sex-u-al!"
Seriously, there are some dudes out there who scramble one's gaydar. Maybe he's bi and chose to be with a woman. Maybe he's like my brother, a straight guy who prefers the Food Network to football. Regardless, you're not making it real comfortable for him, Jayna.
Edward D. Wood, Jr. Straight man, cross dresser, b movie director and complete horndog. Femininity =/= equal homosexuality in men, not that it matters but try telling that to the Raptards.
Well done Jayna!
I read this the same way the next poster in the thread did. Jayna is asking 'if homosexuality is a choice, how is it that many homosexuals are obviously gay?'
It's not like other 'sinners' are visibly so:- "oh look at that idolator over there- lets bash him!"
"I can pick a sabbath-breaker a mile away" "My coveting-radar is working overtime on that guy!"
While many of us here have correctly pointed out that the sterotypes are often wrong, it's foolish for us to deny that there is a vastly higher correlation of feminine traits among us gay guys than there is in the hettie population. Many of us lisp. No its not an affectation, or put-on or result of hanging around with other gays. It's not universal, either. And one of my closest straight friends has similar mannerisms. It's a shame he's straight; gorgeous hard-body and cute as well, dammit!
However, (unless we were secretly practicing sissy mannerisms)this correlation demonstrates that being gay is associated with developmental differences from the average, and not some wicked choice.
Jayna and twinkling have correctly picked up on one of the fallacies of the Pharisees who preach persecution of their homosexual neighbour. Good on them for refusing to bury their talent for honest thought in the ground, despite the horrible pressure for irrational conformity purveyed by the board they posted on.
Hey, guess what
Gay
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I know it's hard to wrap your mind around such a thing, but you really can't tell a book by it's cover. BTW, I know of two straight men who have been hospitalized after being bashed for "looking gay".
It might be the "sneaky f*cker" strategy. Hangs out with the ladies all the time, looks gay and therefore harmless. While the other guys are off boozing, playing football, playing with their gun collections, fighting or at NASCAR, mostly to "prove" how masculine they are, our sneaky f*cker is giving a few of the ladies a very good seeing-to.
It's a wise child that knows it's own father.
Yes, now just keep thinking about it somewhat logically, like you were just now. Go on, it's OK, it's not like stereotypes have feelings that will be hurt.
Easy; he was probably born with those traits. However, those traits have nothing to do with his sexuality and everything to do with his personality.
It's actually your preconcieved notions that are wrong.
But, maybe he's deep in the closet, who knows? That's his business, in any case, not yours.
You can't "have been gay", either you are or your aren't, or you're bisexual.
Oh noes, people are different! HELP! HELP!
Have you ever seen a woman act "feminine" like that?
How do you know he wasn't born with them?
Whether someone is masculine or feminine has nothing to do with their sexuality.
My grandmother: Star athlete at school and maths loving tomboy. Married my grandfather until he died.
My brother: Used to play with Barbies. Has a girlfriend.
I have a couple of pink shirts. The lady in my life says I look great in them.
Am I 'effeminate' for wearing pink ? The fact that she has sex with me at least twice a week kinda destroys your argument, jaynus.
...although you should reconsider the masculinity of, say... the very basis of your reason for being a member of Ruptured Retards: someone who hung around with twelve men ; two of whom were sailors . One of said twelve kissed him. Hardly associated with women, if ever. Never had a girlfriend, nor did he marry one. Told others to 'Love your fellow man '. Wore a dress .
Question: Are you sure it was a 'tomb' they put him in, and not a Closet ...?! [/Freud]
David Beckham. Ted Haggard. One of these things is not like the other. Which is it, jaynus?
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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