[Referring to the PZ Myers cracker desecration controvery.]
Catholics tell him that that is truly the body and blood of Christ, He should be take this seriously: just because you don’t understand a thing, doesn’t mean it isn’t what it is. You can’t see radioactivity. Radioactive items will kill you even if you aren’t immediately burned. The Host is Spiritually radioactive. His soul is now irreversibly dying. When he leaves the veil of this world he will find his soul charred from radioactive poison.
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"You can’t see radioactivity." Cerenkov radiation and Radioluminescence.
"Radioactive items will kill you even if you aren’t immediately burned."
And are used to treat cancer and take X-rays.
"When he leaves the veil of this world he will find his soul charred from radioactive poison."
From fundie president pressing the big red button?
Okay, dina775, let's except your hypothesis. The Eucharist is Spiritually radioactive once consecrated, that is the hypothesis. We must have a way of testing this, so submit to any scientist a blessed host, and give us a manner to experiment on this "spiritual radioactivity." We can measure other radioactivity, so there must exist an objective means for testing this one.
One person's delusion is another's superstition, I guess.
It's actually a piece of baked goods, unsalted and bland, over which some Latin words were spoken by a man wearing a dress.
What seems to be the difficulty?
A tremendous example of just how insane religious nuts really are. The best part is that no one has actually done anything to any of their stupid wafers.
As they do so often, the psycochristians are reacting to a non event.
Okay, dina775, let's except your hypothesis. The Eucharist is Spiritually radioactive once consecrated, that is the hypothesis. We must have a way of testing this, so submit to any scientist a blessed host, and give us a manner to experiment on this "spiritual radioactivity." We can measure other radioactivity, so there must exist an objective means for testing this one.
You're forgetting the old "Do not put god to the test" thing, aka the get-out-of-burden-of-proof-free-card.
"The Host is Spiritually radioactive. His soul is now irreversibly dying. When he leaves the veil of this world he will find his soul charred from radioactive poison."
That's a really cool idea for a sci-fi comic, but in this context it just makes you look like an idiot, Dina.
"You can’t see radioactivity."
You can at times. Of course, if you can see it it's probably a bit late to be worrying about it any more.
Besides, radioactivity can be detected in ways other than simply seeing it. Saying that a cracker physically became the body of a god, which you're now supposed to eat, is not only bizarre but delusional and irrational. I don't care how much Latin you babble over it, it's still a cracker and every scientific test in the world will tell you that.
"Radioactive items will kill you even if you aren’t immediately burned. The Host is Spiritually radioactive. His soul is now irreversibly dying. When he leaves the veil of this world he will find his soul charred from radioactive poison."
What the fuck?
"just because you don't understand a thing, doesn't mean it isn't what it is."
You mean like evolutionary biology?
"He should be take this seriously"
No, he really is under no obligation to take this seriously. I'd advise him not to bother going to ceremonies he has no belief in, but as long as he is not disruptive, I don't see any reason he can't take the holy cracker home. You gave it to him. It's his now. He can use it to finally get the kitchen table to stop wobbling.
Acquire about 75kg of wafers and wine, consecrated, and mix together in a mold of the human body. It should come to life and be Jesus.
I don't believe nobody ever tried this!
Someone please, without invoking "magic", explain how it is PZ's soul is "irreversibly dying" as a result of this cracker controversy when he, in fact, has not done anything to a cracker as of today 7/21/2008, 12:17PM PST?
Priests don't even use Latin anymore. So it's a cracker and wine over which a priest mumbles "Do this in remembrance of me" (or the equivalent in Spanish, Italian, whatever). This appetizer remains crackers and wine according to sight, smell, touch, taste, electron microscopy, whatever ... but actually "is" the Body of Christ.
Plus, PZ Myers hasn't come into contact with this radioactive snack, as far as I know, so he's "spiritually" dying from something he only wrote about. I hope he's careful; a homeopathic poison might kill him outright.
"The Host is Spiritually radioactive...he will find his soul charred from radioactive poison."
And you people eat it...
Care to amend this little catastrophic metaphor?
This is a nice and misguided little attempt at wishful thinking revenge fantasy, overall. So, why not make into a full-fledged fairy tale, like it really is:
"A long time ago, a bunch of mean grown ups without a sense of imagination and wonder ruled over the nice little children who dreamed about a world of fairies and leprechauns. And there was much rejoicing. But then those evil adults oppressed those whimsical children, and tried to take away their world of wonder and mystery, and make them work in the acid mines. Those kind, merciful children however, warned those wicked, wicked slave-drivers that the crackers that those mean, ignorant adults were eating would destroy them due to being the biscuits of a God! But they scoffed at the children, and continued to eat them, while laughing and mocking them. Yet, the crackers were magical just like the children said they were! Those mean closed-minded grown-ups should have opened up their hearts to the magic that the little children knew existed all along! In three days, those bitter adults died and the wise spiritual children entered into a peaceful era of rainbows and unicorns, and everybody lived happily ever after, because you shouldn't f%$# with Jesus. Because Jesus is from the land of ghosts and uranium, and will kill you dead if you don't treat the crackers right. The end."
Not Fundy.
Failing to recognise a metaphor is one of the things we point and laugh at Fundies for. We really shouldn't make the same mistake ourselves.
He's funny, but not very, when he suggests a thing should be taken seriously because Catholics say so.
Elsewhere in the post he has truckloads of fail, from wrongly thinking that PZ Myers stole a Host, through weirdo 'end times persecution ranting', but this quote is not Fundy.
We see this argument all to often, "you cant see phenomonen X, which we know to exist, therefore phenomonen Y exists as well. Of course the notion that we cant see radiation obserd, since visible light is simply a chunk of radio spectrum, in fact ALL we can see is radiation. Not to mention the fact that we can detect the nuclear radiation he is presumably talking about, even if not specificaly with the naked eye.
Spiritually...radioactive? WTF?
What does that even mean?
"Be careful George. That cracker is giving off a high spiritron count!"
“The Host is Spiritually radioactive.”
Radioactivity comes from decay. You’re saying The Host has a half-life? After i eat the holy cracker, it’s Jesus for a while, then after 1 halflife it’s the Corp Chri? Then the CoCh? What are the daughter elements after the decay?
Does Jesus decay into Thrones, who decay into Archangels, etc?
“He should be take this seriously: just because you don’t understand a thing, doesn’t mean it isn’t what it is.”
Is that your approach to Atheism? Socialism? Islam? Or do you only demand respect for what you believe?
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