"I guess you consider it moral for a guy to get stoned to death for gathering sticks on the Sabbath." Kypros Christodoulides
If you're an atheist, it's not immoral in the slightest. Nothing is or can be immoral. It's just a matter of survival of the fittest. Your atheistic worldview believes that killing babies in the womb is okay because society says it is. So is adultery, pornography, blasphemy and homosexuality. There's no right or wrong—there’s only survival of the fittest--what mob-rule dictates.
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Blasphemy? Ray, you were talking about a theoretical (strawman )atheistic worldview. What would constitue blasphemy there? Believing in God? Theoretically, Ray, if all of society stopped believing in religion, how would the atheists continue to blaspheme?
Awwwww, how cute! Ray here thinks no god=no morals! That's very big of you to say all those grow up words and such, letting everyone know that truly, without a doubt, you are one thick book of myths from becoming just the worst individual imaginable.
Deities are the inventions of pychopaths, conmen and beardies/virtual beardies. Which one are you Ray? Maybe you're all three. I expect you're a self-regarding, self-entitled, self-important special person who is a beloved by a mighty sky beast that probably looks and thinks just like you. Cor, who'd have thought it!
The question wasn't about a strawman-atheist's supposed lack of morals, you stupid fuck. It was about your morals, and why they're completely arbitrary and exclusive solely for the sake of permitting holier-than-thou attitudes and unwarranted self-importance.
Every time I see something with Raytard's jam-covered handprint all over it, I think, "this man has just murdered his last brain cell."
Then I read his next cerebral belch and think, "Wow, he missed one. Got it this time, though."
Throw stones at police officers on a Saturday , then. They're working .
Otherwise you've destroyed your entire argument, Ray Cumfart.
I'm sure that somebody, by now, has informed bananaboy that fittest, in this sense, means best suited not strongest. Although, come to think of it, they all seem to misunderstand it.
"I guess you consider it moral for a guy to be allowed to get another guy's dick up his ass." Ray Comfort
If you're a theist, it's not immoral in the slightest. Nothing is or can be immoral in and of itself. It's just a matter of Divine Command. Your theistic worldview believes that valuing embryos in the womb higher than the woman who has that womb is okay if your understanding of scripture says it is. So is adultery, pornography, rape and homosexuality. There's nothing that's right or wrong by nature
there’s only Divine Command--what God-rule dictates.
Way to dodge the question, Cray. How does your pitiful little attack on non-believers address the issue of the christian god ordering his followers to kill someone for gathering firewood on his special day?
BTW, Audacity was an incoherent, ridiculous mess.
Bonus: Go fuck a cactus.
@Frogflayer:
I'm sure that somebody, by now, has informed bananaboy that fittest, in this sense, means best suited not strongest. Although, come to think of it, they all seem to misunderstand it.
As I said before, Ray is the one creationist who hasn’t the excuse that he hasn’t read Darwin’s work. He published his own edition of “On The Origins Of Species” and he has to have read it, because he had to know which parts to edit out
So where others can still be ambiguous if they are liars or just plain ignorant (if willingly), Ray is without a doubt an unapologetic and shameless liar.
I guess Ray considers it moral to stone to death children that misbehave?
Awesome biblical morality there, Ray.
If you're an atheist, it's not immoral in the slightest.
Why wouldn't it be? Most atheists would find it totally immoral to kill someone over ancient superstitions written in an old book.
Stop dodging the question. You're trying to ignore the parts of the bible you find inconvenient.
"If you're an atheist, it's not immoral in the slightest. Nothing is or can be immoral. It's just a matter of survival of the fittest."
So Ray, why do you suppose one of us atheists hasn't killed you yet and taken all of your millions of dollars? What's stopping us if, according to you, we think that that there's no right or wrong, nothing is or can be immoral in the slightest, and it's just a matter of survival of the fittest?
"If you're an atheist, it's not immoral in the slightest."
I'm an atheist, and I find it extremely immoral to execute (and in such a brutal manner) people for pointless "crimes".
And what does picking up sticks have to do with "survival of the fittest", you mindless fool?
The question was what YOU find moral or immoral, Bananaman, not what atheists find moral or immoral. Your book says that this is how it's supposed to be done.
Atheists usually see it as immoral to harm others or to infringe on their human rights, and that life is very, very important, as this is all we get. We're not like you who think that this is just the dress rehearsal before the Real Thing.
Oh, and you know as well as we do that it's survival of the most adapted one, the one who fit into the niche best (at the moment), and that "one" here is species, not individual. You've heard it enough times that even the thickest of dolts ought to have gotten it by now.
Dodging the question, because you know, despite your holy book saying it's moral and expected, that it is in fact bizarre, violent, outdated and extremely immoral.
Stoning people for religious reasons is not ethical, and porn, blasphemy, and homosexuality are ethical. As for adultery, I'm on the fence. I don't think it is inherently bad, tho.
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