[Carl Sagan died after three bone marrow transplants failed to restore his body’s ability to make blood sufficient to sustain life on earth].
Campus Preacher noted: God even had mercy on poor old Carl Pagan. He gave him bone cancer and time to think about it. It obviously didn’t work. Therefore we must conclude, that geniuses like Carl Pagan and others can (Richard Dawkins probably will) and do and did go to Hell.
Is Evolution v. Creation an issue in Hell?
On that subject. It looks like to me God also had mercy on Steven Hawking. God allowed/gave him ALS when he was 21 to get his attention. It didn’t work. Looks like Hawking will go to to Hell too.
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Non-Christian dies -> punishment from God.
Christian dies -> martyrdom.
Which is a cancer victim more likely to think:
(a) "I have cancer; therefore, God must exist and I mustn't be kissing His butt enough", or,
(b) "I have cancer - a merciful God wouldn't have let this happen; therefore, He either doesn't exist or He's a spiteful prick"
Only in the fundie mind is God stupid enough to think everyone will choose (a) and petty enough to want them to. They think God's a dumb, hate-filled redneck just like them.
Carl Pagan? Oooh word play. How original. I bet you call him Barak Osama as well.
The devil may be a prick, but your god is royal cunt.
"Therefore we must conclude, that geniuses like Carl Pagan and others can (Richard Dawkins probably will) and do and did go to Hell. "
Where is the proof that hell even exists?
Extremely jealous of those well-developed and courageous intellects, aren't we?
May "Campus Preacher" die from terminal colitis.
O Lord, I beseech You to have mercy on the atheists and bring them to Yourself. Start by giving them conclusive proof of Your existence and a holy book that doesn't endlessly contradict both itself and reality. Oh, yeah, and fanboys who don't dishonor You every time they open their mouths would help, too. Amen.
Campus Preacher, huh? You should attend a Logic 101 course, post haste so that you'll be able to identify a non-sequiter before you make yourself look foolish by relying on it, not once but twice, for your argument.
Since everybody dies sooner or later, and sometimes violently, sometimes not(and Carl Sagan's was not a particularly dramatic death), I see it as an absurd non-sequitur.
And he had mercy on John Paul II and Mother Theresa because, you know, he made them die of cancer too, like all mortals, and John Paul II's was a really terrible stuff, when he was not able to finish his speech, due to health problems in the middle of a crowd, to get his attention. And Stephen Hawkins, he is a particularly blessed one. Despite his problem, he's a fucking genious and had his illness long before becoming one.
Sometimes people get horrible diseases and medical care cannot cure them. Therefore, we can conclude they go to hell.
Sometimes people get horrible diseases and with proper medical care they live decades longer than expected and make great contributions. Therefore, we can conclude they go to hell.
Campus Preacher deserves to get bone cancer and ALS simultaneously and suffer with at them least as long as Steven Hawking has survived in his condition. But, I wouldn't wish Alzheimer's on CP; with logic like he's expressed, it's clear his brain has already deteriorated.
Get smart and I'll fucketh you over, sayeth the lord.
It can't be heaven if assholes like you are granted admission.
Right, because every single atheist ever died a horrible, drawn-out death and no Christian ever did. Oh, wait...
Even if it's a douchebag thing to do, I can see what you're saying about Sagan, but why the hell did you bring Stephen Hawking into this? Hell, he's publicly said he's NOT an atheist, he's only guilty of being a friggin' genius. Being smart means you go to hell? Seeing how any intelligence is portrayed suggests that.
You know, for an omnipotent skydaddy, your god is woefully inefficent and a poor communicator. I mean rather than fuck people up, couldn't he just have a man to man with them?
Ah, the thinking of the fundy:
If the saved live a long time it's because they loved god and were good. If the wicked (err, not saved) do, it's because they were part of god's plan, or god wanted to give them time to repent, or god doesn't kill people anyway.
If the saved die young, it's because they get to come home to god early, or it's part of god's plan. If the wicked do, it's because they were evil.
What is truly amusing is that god would give someone a horrible disease in order to give them the chance to change their ways if he knows in advance that they won't; now he is just instituting suffering...but truly, isn't that what god is apparantly all about anyway...
Guys, you can't have it both ways...
Carl Sagan, yes. Richard Dawkins, fine, i'll grant you. I can see why your hyper-sensitive shrieking God-diva would be pissed at them. But Hawking? What had Hawking done by age 21 that was so terribe? And don't suggest that God put him in a chair pre-emptively based on the evil physics he would discover at a later date, because you'll destroy the notion of free will and shoot yourself in the foot.
In conclusion: Go fuck yourself, you malicious turd.
You know what they say, you go to heaven for the climate and hell for the company. Spending eternity with Sagan and Dawkins (not to mention every awesome rock band out there) doesn't sound half bad. On the contrary, being somewhere forever with Falwell, Robertson, Swaggert, and other such assholes doesn't appeal to me somehow...
You are a self-righteous, narrow-minded, amoral asswipe! If your god exists, he is a dick and doesn't deserve to be worshiped.
I hope you get bone cancer and let's see how smug you are about it then, you motherfucking insensitive asshole!
If Carl Sagan is in Hell, that's where I want to be too. Because Carl Sagan was ten times better, morally and intellectually, then you and your fellow fundie fuckwits!
ALS and bone cancer = mercy...
What a wonderful god these gigantic pricks worship. Still, one good point is that if all these cunts go to "heaven," hell will be a nicer place.
Campus Preacher, you are a disgrace to your nation, religion, species and planet.
Would someone put HIM out of OUR misery?
If there is actually a God, and actually such a place like Hell, then it would be bastards such as yourself who find themselves in Hell, not great men such as Carl Sagan.
So when Christians get cancer, is it because God is busy loving them to death? "Here, get sick and linger for a few more years in excruciating pain, all the time knowing that I'm here for you."
Campest Preacher, who the hell are you to assign people to heaven or hell, or Olympus, or Valhalla? Does not your god say: I am a jealous god? So beware of taking unto yourself his powers. He might smite you. Come to think of it, I hope he does.
Amazing how people get sick, huh? Contrary to your notion that God warned Hawkings and is punishing him or something, he has greatly outlived his initial prognosis and is doing pretty well all things considered. What'd the pope die of again? A urinary tract infection? What does that say exactly?
Countries and people that have a lower stndard of living tend to be among the most religious.
Meaning that if you can't afford a doctor, you just pray to get better.
So I'm sure that all the children that were born with AIDS and are now orphans destined to live a short and painful life-but God loves them!-will agree with you tremendously.
Generalizing from a few cases does not make it true. Albert Einstein, for instance, lived a good long life, didn't he? And he didn't believe in a personal God?
Sideshow Bob : Hah! Apparently it is. ;) When's the last time we had this many "5 worthy" in a row?
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What a heartless bastard your god is.
How mentally retarded you must be to think that cruelty is a "perfect love."
How huge of a prick you truely are.
Am I the only who can see CP in dark room beating off to thoughts of other people's suffering?
*fap fap fap* oooh yeah, God, give my intellectual superiors debilitating diseases! *fap fap* Yeah, Hawking, cry for me, bitch *fap fap fap*
BTW, Hawking gives pretty strong atheist vibes in Brief History of Time, so I guess that "justifies" CP's impotent hatred.
Repent, ye fools who say there is no god!
Because in the bible, it says you're a fool if you say there's no god! Doesn't matter if you're a brilliant scientist, award-winning author, or anything else notable. THE FOOL HATH SAID IN HIS HEART, THERE IS NO GOD.
No, I'm not serious. O_o
Because we all know that the best, most effective, and most loving way to get someone's attention is to strike them with nasty stuff. Much like a child throwing their toys into their parent's faces, and yet fundies will spank that kid for that, right?
I won't try to conclude something I have no proof of, nor will I pick a side based on a fear of "eternal damnation". My choice was made a long time ago based on a humble passion for understanding of all things. If the only book of knowledge you read and study in your lifetime is the Bible, you are already in hell.
I guess my fundie christian former neighbor didn't pray hard enough. She has MS.
My very christian, churchgoing grandmother-in-law must have fucked up somewhere too- she died after a long and painful battle with cancer.
Meanwhile my Laveyan Satanist buddy in Tennessee is creeping up on sixty and healthy and strong as an ox. Funny, isn't it?
Wow.
If God is all-knowing, why would he even attempt these... um... "attention-getting" schemes in the first place?
Is Campus Preacher like 3 years old? To imagine God has a mind as infantile as his?
Damn, I always forget that everything bad happens because "God wanted so". So let's see, Hitler killed 6 million Jews, and in Old testament God says that Jews are "The chosen people" and still they got slaughtered probably because "God wanted so"
I watched my father in law die from ALS. He declined over a period of three years and finally died when he no longer had the strength to breathe.
If Hawking's illness is an example of god's mercy, he's one sicko. Effectively sealing a sentient being in its own skull, only able to communicate by twitching a muscle.....
Lucasian professor of physics - 10/10
Carl Pagan? Can you people get any more infantile? If there was ever a candidate for a right royal kicking, then you're it, you sad, pathetic excuse for a human being.
{sigh} How long is it going to take before they're willing to consider the possibility that God might not be BOTH ominpotent and omnibenevolent?
Although, from the way they talk, it's as though they only trust an omnipotent to be able to overcome the Satan. What, is the Satan's strength level somehow infinity minus one-quintillionth? Methinks they're confusing "love" and "rulership"...
@Rorschach you aren't the only Christian/religious person on this site by a long shot. Some of our longstanding regulars are religious, and they are extremely intelligent, witty people that I respect. Just as long as you aren't a self-righteous fundie douchebag with an IQ lower then the average shoe size nobody's going to make fun of you.
One things for sure, your not welcome there.
How is it the terminally dumb survive childhood, but never mature properly.
Is Evolution v. Creation an issue in Hell?
I swear, I'll kill that man. These men are great men, who devoted themselves to discovery! To call them this..shit, its disgusting.
"[God] gave him bone cancer and time to think about it."
Wow. The god of the Asshole Sect of Christianity is a dick. I imagine he was created in Campus Preacher's mental image. With a god like that who needs a devil?
Ah, Creation Science Evangelism. Exists for the sole purpose of spraying a satisfyingly warm jism of falsehood onto the open maws of fundies.
Kent Hoving would be proud, were he not being porked in the ass this minute.
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