Discussing the COBE background radiation data vs Genesis . . .
However, there are some lingering questions. For instance, while the COBE experiment was designed to measure temperature variations, the variations allegedly found were an order of magnitude less than those predicted. Yet this is hailed as a great confirmation of the big-bang model. Some have written that the COBE results perfectly matched predictions, but this is simply not true. Since the COBE results, some theorists have recalculated big-bang models to produce the COBE measurements, but this hardly constitutes a perfect match. Instead, the data have guided the theory rather than the theory predicting the data.
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"...the data have guided the theory rather than the theory predicting the data."
Science in a nutshell; observation - theory - testing - improvement or change of theory - rinse and repeat until you get as close to reality as possible.
In contrast to religion, where: observation - theory /dogma - ignoring everything that doesn´t fit.
"The cosmic microwave background (CMB) spectrum is that of a nearly perfect blackbody with a temperature of 2.725 +/- 0.002 K. This observation matches the predictions of the hot Big Bang theory extraordinarily well, and indicates that nearly all of the radiant energy of the Universe was released within the first year after the Big Bang." NASA COBE mission results.
Faulkner is lying. Again.
Scientific theories are always subject to change based upon new information. That's how science works, dumbass.
And once again, even if you can disprove science, that doesn't mean that the bible is 100% true.
Well, it _is_ COBE (and later WMAP) which gave rise to "precision cosmology" (as Max Tegmark puts it) so it follows that creationists would attack them by any means necessary, including lying their lying asses off.
So scientists use the Scientific Method.
Now apply that to your own beliefs, AiG.
...oh yes, that's right: last time that was tried was a decade ago in Kitzmiller vs. Dover.
That worked, didn't it? [/Doug Piranha-levels of sarcasm]
theorists have recalculated big-bang models to produce the COBE measurements ... Instead, the data have guided the theory rather than the theory predicting the data.
No shit, dumbass. That's the foundation of the scientific method: you adjust your ideas to match up with the data and real-world observations. The fact that you think it should be the other way around speaks volumes about you.
@ Senomaros
The fact that you think it should be the other way around speaks volumes about you.
Creationists have for so long stated the conclusion and tried to fit the facts to support it that they think that's how it's always done, and if you change your beliefs based on new facts then you're doing it wrong.
Again I have to refer to the Atheist Experience shows where pseudo science creationists are always calling in with their "Big Bang doesn't work cause (insert bullshit like above)/Evolution doesn't work cause (insert bullshit like above) /old Earth doesn't work cause (insert bullshit like above)/"
And they're somehow always surprized when they're told,: "Even if you did disprove these theories, it doesn't prove your God in any way. So what's the point of phoning into a non-science show to argue these things?"
They've been erroneously taught that Atheism depends entirely on modern scientific concepts. This way they can pretend all Atheists are followers and as sheepish as themselves. Their leaders insist it's this, fooled by science or fooled by the devil. We're either blind faith like them or corrupted.
Makes them feel better. I think there is an envy of freethinkers and the educated inherent in the denominations that the church is trying to rationalize away by comparing us to them. It's gotta backfire often when logic is applied but until then this shit's very successful for them. Ham and Craig are rakeing it in on this market that wants their science and logic delivered only by Godly authorities.
@Senomaros
Fundies don't understand anything but religion. When they see scientists doing science they interpret everything they see as something religion does.
The OP claiming science changes it's mind when it gets new data is backwards from the 'correct' religious way to do things, and they don't understand that this is how scientists always do things. They say this as an accusation against science because it would be wrong to do it in religion. Since they only understand religion they think it's wrong to do it in science.
Much of the dumbassery of fundies proceeds from this. They are not ignorant in the usual sense of not knowing how some particular thing works, they are ignorant in the sense of they are unable to understand how anything works except religion.
It follows that telling them it doesn't work that way has no effect, because they are fundamentally unable to understand that. All you can do is point and laugh at them in public so people who are able to understand see once again that fundies are nuclear scale dumbasses.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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