(Regarding golden spirals, ID and bees:}
Except that the example I gave of Bees involved how they reproduced, not the shape of their hive.
For instance, a male be will have
and females tree would start at 2,3,5,8,13.
Bees have no concept of mathematics, so why do they reproduce according to the same sequence? what determines it? Isn't reproduction supposed to be random? coincidence?
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"Bees have no concept of mathematics"
It looks like you don't either.
"Isn't reproduction supposed to be random? coincidence?"
No, that's a fundie myth. Reproduction is 1) not "supposed" to be anything and 2) not random or coincidence.
@MockAE:
Ah, I see. I didn’t know that. Thank you.
But then it still doesn’t add up. A drone has one parent, i.e. the queen. The queen has two parents, so the drone has two grandparents. These two grandparents have also two parents each, so the drone has four grand-grandparents. And eight gg-grandparents. And 16 ggg-grandparents. And so on and on.
A female bee would have 2, 4, 8, 16, 32. So where do Huggy74’s 1, 2, 3, 5, 8 and 2, 3, 5, 8, 13 come from?
what determines it?
The fact that 1x2=2 and 2x2=4?
@Kuno
He's claiming the existence of the Fibonacci sequence in nature proves ID.
It's not just bee reproduction and the nautilus shell, the Golden Ratio appears to pop up lots of places in nature. We can recognize other mathematical sequences in natural objects, too. Like any other natural phenomenon, just because it appears to be complex does not mean that it was designed.
However:http://nautil.us/issue/0/the-story-of-nautilus/math-as-myth
"It's not really that the Fibonacci sequence is prevalent. It's that exponential growth is prevalent. The Fibonacci sequence grows exponentially -- the nth Fibonacci number is roughly ((1+sqrt(5))/2)n )/sqrt(5). Combine that with the fact that every exponential function is a transformation of every other exponential function, and you can find the Fibonacci sequence almost anywhere that you want to find it. The Fibonacci sequence itself isn't special. You could find any other Lucas sequence in nature as long as you're looking."http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/1x2073/why_is_the_fibonacci_sequence_so_prevalent_in/
"Bees have no concept of mathematics, so why do they reproduce according to the same sequence?"
The same reason humans always have an exactly equal number of parents whenever they reproduce? because thats how many parents they NEED to reproduce? Although I guess you would say in our case it's because we have a conception of mathematics (that was certainly what was on my mind when I concived my children).
Bees have no concept of mathematics, so why do they reproduce according to the same sequence?
Isn't reproduction supposed to be random? coincidence?
Excuse me for my anger, but numerologists, chiromants and astrologists are the lowest of the fucking low! They are either heavily deluded or exceedingly ignorant, arrogant and/or covetous people with no concept of math, physics, biology, celestial mechanics or whatsoever. These stone age beliefs screw up people's brains no less than 'standard' fundie lies.
It's known that atronomy derived from astrology in the ancient times just as mathematics were heavily interwinded with numerology back then. But the fun thing is that in times of ancient Greece there already were people educated enaugh to separate astronomy from astrology and reject astrology as nonsence.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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