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If Islam in its purest form is indeed the enemy, then what do you propose doing? If Islam does indeed pose an existential threat to Western civilization, don't talk about it. Do something. If they want a war, give them a war. If they burn a church, burn a mosque. If they kill a pastor in Oman, shoot a mullah in San Diego. It's that simple. Respond to the aggressors with greater force, and only then can you hope to survive. Sun Tzu understood it, Jesus of Nazareth understood it...

Nemo, Patheos.com 39 Comments [10/8/2013 3:21:16 AM]
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Tim of Whipping

Sun Tzu's work is about armies fighting armies in an actual war. Fundie maniacs going around murdering and burning in ridiculous this-for-that tactics is not war, it is stupidity and thuggish behaviour. And didn't Jesus say something about turning the other cheek?

10/8/2013 3:35:25 AM

Filin De Blanc

The same Jesus of Nazareth who said "do not resist an evil person. If someone forces you to go with him one mile, go with him two miles"?

10/8/2013 3:43:35 AM

NearlySane

Sean Connery in The Untouchables as well

10/8/2013 3:48:31 AM

anevilmeme

Right, because Sun Tzu and Jesus were on the same page about so much.

10/8/2013 3:49:56 AM

RW2

You do not understand Sun Tzu and I doubt you've read The Art Of War.

10/8/2013 3:56:53 AM

Swede

So, your plan is to escalate the violence, murder and arson until only one human being is left, or what?

It's not Islam per se that is the threat, but religion in general, and particularly religious people who are willing to blindly obey anyone speaking for a deity. If we all stepped back and said "Wait a moment, why don't we let everyone have whatever religion he or she wants, as a personal matter? Let's get onto the problem about how to feed and water everyone in the world instead.". That's closer to what Jesus supposedly said in the Bible. But, whoever reads that musty old book anymore, right Nemo?

10/8/2013 4:04:39 AM

Mike Litoris

Republican Jesus! FUCK, YEAH!


10/8/2013 4:30:32 AM

Hasan Prishtina

Since what "Islam in its purest form" might be has been argued over by Muslims for nearly the entire history of Islam, I doubt if any contribution Nemo has to make will be very enlightening. As with any good fundie, Nemo's references to Sun Tzu and Jesus show that he knows nothing much of either. Note also the transition from "it" (Islam) to "they" (Muslims), thereby presuming all Muslims to be guilty of what one or two might do on the other side of the world.

10/8/2013 4:32:50 AM

Grimsoncrow

JESUSDIDWHATNOW

10/8/2013 4:59:37 AM

ray10k

This would have been the point where I would say "go ahead, wipe each other out," were I in a worse mood.
Truth is however, that kind of stance would result in a ton of deaths on both sides, and let's not forget how many innocent bystanders will inevitably get killed as well.
Violence only begets violence.

10/8/2013 5:11:43 AM

Mister Spak

"Respond to the aggressors with greater force, and only then can you hope to survive. Sun Tzu understood it, Jesus of Nazareth understood it..."



10/8/2013 5:25:14 AM

Doubting Thomas

But that would require you climbing out of your mother's basement and actually doing something.

10/8/2013 5:40:02 AM

New Face of Rev

"Respond to the aggressors with greater force, and only then can you hope to survive."

- The EXACT OPPOSITE of what Sun Tzu said.

10/8/2013 6:23:36 AM



"Respond to the aggressors with greater force, and only then can you hope to survive."

Sun Tzu did not write anything like that in the art of war and wasn't jesus more about turning cheeks?

10/8/2013 6:26:32 AM

gimel

If.

10/8/2013 7:36:04 AM

Anon-e-moose

Post-revolution Libya: wants diplomatic relations with Israel.

Azerbaijan; the only other Muslim country - apart from Iran - that is mainly Shia (but it's constitution protects the freedom & practicing of other religions, including Christianity): has full diplomatic relations with Israel. Is an ally of the US.

Egypt: Has full diplomatic relations with Israel.

Jordan: not only has full diplomatic relations with Israel, it considers that Jewish state to be a valuable ally in that region; is an ally of the US too.

Despite problems in the past, Oman has political/trade relations with Israel; Oman is an ally of the US. Oman is a long-time ally of the US, as well as the UK.

Kosovo. So pro-USA are Kosovar Muslims, they have a statue of Bill Clinton in it's capital, Pristina.

UAE is an ally of the US.

Saudi Arabia only allows the practice of Wahhabi Islam - and no other religion - in it's borders. It is an ally of the US.

...your point again, Little Nemo?

@gimel

I like the way you think: 'If.' [/Spartan Laconic Wit]

10/8/2013 7:44:23 AM



Yes sink to their level that's how we've always got things done.

10/8/2013 8:09:22 AM

rubber chicken

And what if it isn't ?

10/8/2013 8:24:53 AM

Thinking Allowed

Sorry Nemo, but Jesus didn't go around advocating violence against people of other religions.

10/8/2013 8:45:06 AM

nazani14

It looks to me as if the Muslims are their own greatest enemies, constantly fighting over scarce resources and political power under the guise of religion. Attacking them is just about the only way to get the various factions and sects to agree on anything.

10/8/2013 9:07:57 AM



"the problem with "eye for an eye" is that everyone ends up blind"...

MLK Jr. Mahatma Ghandi.

And for something from Jesus of Nazareth..

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5%3A38-48&version=NIV

10/8/2013 9:49:25 AM

Miles Gloriosus

Wow, and all this time I thought that Jesus of Nazareth was a pacifist. Thanks for setting me straight, Nemo!

10/8/2013 10:15:09 AM

Sangfroid

If Nemo really wants to get down and duke it out with the Taliban, the US Army is always ready. Just sign on the dotted line, and you get three hots and a cot and free medical care all while you're showing the world what a terrorist-fighting stud you are.

Of course, it might also mean your mom and dad get to spend their elder years visiting you in the stone garden, and even a loser like Nemo probably has parents who want him alive.

Tell you what: if you stop egging on morons to burn mosques and wage war, I'll stop pointing out you're a cowardly chickenhawk.

10/8/2013 10:45:32 AM

freako104

Read the Art of War and the Bible. You will see your failure

10/8/2013 11:16:00 AM

dp

"Confront them with annihilation, and they will then survive; plunge them into a deadly situation, and they will then live. When people fall into danger, they are then able to strive for victory."

"“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

10/8/2013 11:16:40 AM

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