Quote# 96272

TRUE THE VOTE!

The people who cannot pull it together to get a photo ID SHOULD NOT vote! I never understood the crazy liberal idea that everyone should vote. IMO, if you ever go on government assistance, you should lose your right to vote during the period of mooching and for several years after that. Also, while literacy tests were applied unfairly in the past, the concept behind them (if applied to everyone the same way) is 100% sound.


GodAndCountryFirst, Free Republic 52 Comments [8/31/2013 6:57:17 AM]
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Azaqi

There are places in Texas where to obtain a legally acceptable form of ID would involve a journey of several hundred miles. To a person without personal transportation, or to someone who can not afford the expenses of such a trip, the voter ID law bars them from voting for economic or scheduling reasons.

Hardly a legitimate reason to disenfranchise someone.

8/31/2013 7:02:55 AM

Azaqi

Besides, the whole thing is a false crusade anyway. Every single study, regardless of who is conducting it, shows that there is simply no problematic voter fraud in the USA.

8/31/2013 7:04:23 AM

Hasan Prishtina

Maybe we should expand that literacy test to people who can use grammar properly. A sentence like "True the vote!" would result in an automatic disqualification.

8/31/2013 7:07:50 AM

Mike Litoris

So, by your logic, when you begin to collect your Social Security checks at 65, you will gladly surrender your right to vote. To say nothing of any unforeseen circumstance that may lead to unemployment for you.

8/31/2013 7:37:47 AM

fmitchell

Why [I]literacy[I] tests? Anyone who wants to vote should be able to solve a partial differential equation. Weeds out the dummies.

8/31/2013 7:46:05 AM

Philbert McAdamia

Literacy test.

I'm all for it. That would eliminate 99% of fundies.

8/31/2013 8:06:32 AM

Musicalbookworm

Do these people have any idea what it is like to not have transportation? I can't drive due to visual impairment. It is actually more difficult to transfer a state ID than a driver's license and requires more documentation. (Yes, I did throw a fit about discrimination against the disabled.) When I moved to Oklahoma, I had to go to two different offices and present documentation that many people do not have, to get a new state ID. My Kansas state ID was not even considered acceptable identification, but if I had had a DL they would have simply exchanged it. I was fortunate that I had friends who could drive me. Otherwise the cab fair and the cost of the ID card would have been equivalent to a week's worth of groceries. In Kansas, you have to show a birth certificate every time you renew an ID. Fuck you very much Chris Kobach! A birth certificate is not cheap nor easy to obtain if you do not have your original and many people don't.

Oh, it's a freeper....yeah, they don't care about actual people, nevermind.

8/31/2013 8:45:11 AM

Doodle1960

What a great idea…disenfranchise the poorest and most vulnerable from the political process so they will never be able influence any national policy that directly affects their lives. Sarcasm aside, it amazes me that these people can’t see where this kind of policy would lead.

8/31/2013 8:47:36 AM

Grogs

@Hasan Prishtina: "Maybe we should expand that literacy test to people who can use grammar properly. A sentence like "True the vote!" would result in an automatic disqualification."

I'm with you! Make everyone who wants to vote write an essay on government civics. Anyone using excessive capitalization or multiple exclamation marks would be automatically disqualified. That would disqualify about 99% of fundies.

8/31/2013 8:50:56 AM

werewolf

How about an IQ Test for citizenship? 100 and below get deported?

8/31/2013 9:27:22 AM

Filin De Blanc

So what you're saying is that if the government fucks up enormously and destroys huge swathes of jobs by tanking the economy, the people who lost those jobs and are thus on welfare should then be barred from voting out the government that caused their problems in the first place?

Makes sense, I guess; the politicians these people support do love tanking the economy and destroying jobs, so it's only logical that their followers would want to prevent that from being reflected by votes.

8/31/2013 9:32:48 AM

Passerby

Basing voting rights on education would be discriminative against the poor, a major chunk of the American populace. While we like to think of fundamentalists and racists as mere uneducated or ignorant snots their level of formal schooling likely exceeds that of anyone living below the poverty line.

The quality of educational services in the US is not spread equally. Areas with high unemployment and high concentrations of low-income residents aren't considered worth the expense or effort of a fully staffed school system with up to date learning materials. Add to that the beating the educational budget takes every time the government decides it needs more high explosives than literate citizens and the pushes being made to entirely privatize education and you've got a recipe for a return to plutocratic feudalism and aristocracies where only those born to wealth will have an education and the ability to affect politics while anyone who actually works for a living will rarely know anything beyond their ABC's if they even get that much.

Might want to fix that problem first, before considering stripping anyone of their voting rights. Just a thought.

8/31/2013 9:46:30 AM

nazani14

I want to see you stand in front of a person on a respirator or in a wheel chair and yell at them to pull it together."

8/31/2013 9:57:16 AM

Liberal Christian

In other words, "I wanna keep minorities, gays, women, and liberals from being able to vote." Fuck you.

8/31/2013 10:18:04 AM



I never understood the crazy liberal idea that everyone should vote. IMO, if you ever go on government assistance, you should lose your right to vote during the period of mooching and for several years after that.

That's a massive number of Republican Voters you just removed... not so many Democrat ones though. You're very determined to keep the Dems in power, are you sure you're posting to the right forum?

8/31/2013 10:33:51 AM

Seeker Lancer

So if you suffer a horrible accident or illness and have to collect disability then you lose your right to vote.

I don't wish anything like that on you but if it ever does happen I hope someone remembers you said this.

8/31/2013 10:58:19 AM

Anon-e-moose

"I never understood the crazy liberal idea that everyone should vote."

In Australia, it's compulsory to vote. With a A$1000 fine for those who don't.

"Also, while literacy tests were applied unfairly in the past, the concept behind them (if applied to everyone the same way) is 100% sound."

I couldn't agree more, little Freeper. Speaking as a Brit (who always votes), remember 'No Taxation without Representation', and all that jazz eh Teabaggers...?:






...more like 'No Representaion without Education', amirite?!

Therefore we'll hear no more from you lot about... well, anything you right-wingers so much as think you have the right to a so-called 'opinion' on. Rush Limburger, Mike 'Savage' Wiener, Faux News et al, I'm looking at you; so in future you're either gonna just consist of 'Dead Air' on radio/TV - the latter just consisting of O'RLY, Failin et al just sitting there saying/doing nothing, or be hyper-left-wing in everything you say/do/think'believe'...?! [/Taking fundie logic to it's ultimate extreme]

8/31/2013 11:19:34 AM

Papabear

And you should not be allowed to vote if you're a pompous a$$hat,

8/31/2013 11:40:28 AM

freako104

Erm. Considering how many Christians I see who show a lack of literacy, you may want to rethink you literacy tests. Also ever on government assistence? May want to look at the number of people who were on it and how many politically you would agree with. You didn't think this through very well

8/31/2013 11:45:18 AM

Old Viking

"For my next trick I will shoot myself in the foot and bleed copiously."

8/31/2013 11:58:07 AM

John

The people who cannot pull it together to get a photo ID SHOULD NOT vote!

You shouldn't have to pay money to vote. You should be able to get a photo ID quickly and easily. The state shouldn't pick and choose what photo ID it accepts so that IDs likely to be held by people who usually vote against the ruling party are excluded. All three of these principles have been violated by one law or another. If the only convenient way to get a photo ID is with a an expensive permit, license or passport, that's charging people to vote. If applying for a photo ID takes a year (it can take up to two years to obtain copies of Federal records), that prevents legitimate citizens from voting. If a state accepts driver's licenses or firearms permits but not student IDs, that's making it harder for young people who are likely to vote against Republicans. It's no coincidence that states that are controlled by Republicans are the ones pursuing these laws.

8/31/2013 12:01:38 PM

Nomen Nescio

to true something is a verb used in woodworking, construction and mechanics; meaning to make something accurately plumb, level, flat, round, fitting, or otherwise according to the design plan of how it should be.

the design plan of the popular vote is that every competent adult citizen should get one, and exactly one, vote, which is to be accurately and correctly counted as it was cast.

i support truing the vote in this sense. i rather suspect freepers generally don't.

8/31/2013 12:01:54 PM

Jamaican Castle

@Grogs: There aren't enough graduate students in the country to begin to grade all those papers. Can you imagine what the waiting period would be like?

@OP: First off, TRUE THE GRAMMAR!

Secondly, this is a precedent you don't want to set. Sure, it's all hunky-dory for you while the prevailing prejudice is against minorities. But what if the ruling powers decide to use the law to disenfranchise, say, Christians or the rural poor? Laws of equality protect you just as much as they do your "enemies".

Thirdly, no one relies solely on government assistance for "mooching", and I have a suspicion anyone who tried would quickly starve to death. It's not exactly a generous handout.

8/31/2013 12:06:31 PM

Zagen30

I never understood the crazy liberal idea that everyone should vote.

This literally left me speechless. Exercising your basic democratic rights is now a crazy liberal idea? But considering the OP's screen name and forum of choice, I expect he thinks only affluent Christian white men should get a say in how the government runs.

8/31/2013 12:23:25 PM

Thinking Allowed

This video will explain why voter I.D. laws are not a good idea.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElyV47nFyv0/url]

8/31/2013 12:27:05 PM

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