People really disgust me! In my limited understanding of the human psyche ( I don't believe anyone truly understands the human mind completely), I have come to the conclusion that humans are very defective and should probably never have existed to begin with. It boggles my mind because I just can't understand what the point of our existence is. We don't even deserve to exist, so why do we??? Humans are such lowly despicable creatures, all we do is destroy everything we come in contact with and inflict pain and suffering on the innocent. We should all be VERY VERY ashamed. That is all.
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We don't even deserve to exist, so why do we?
Because we won at evolution. Very large brains + hands = Overlords of all we survey.
Now stop bitching and find a hobby.
What kind of fucked up self loathing is this?
If you don't wish to exist that's fine and its curable, just remember to put your whole head in front of the shotgun. Otherwise sit down and shut up the rest of us are busy having a civilization.
"all we do is destroy everything we come in contact with"
Did you write this on the ruins of the computer you destroyed for display on the destroyed internet powered by all the destryed power stations and destroyed electricity distribution system?
"People really disgust me! In my limited understanding of the human psyche ( I don't believe anyone truly understands the human mind completely)"
"We don't even deserve to exist, so why do we???"
"Humans are such lowly despicable creatures, all we do is destroy everything we come in contact with and inflict pain and suffering on the innocent"
"I have come to the conclusion that humans are very defective and should probably never have existed to begin with."
You can start with yourself then.
Does there need to be a point to existence? Who are you, Bina, to judge whether humanity, or anything else, deserves to exist? Isn't imposing your own moral values on everyone else rather selfish?
As a fellow Nihilist, Bina you're doing it wrong.
Yes humanity is ultimately pointless, but so is everything else in the universe (including the universe). This is not a reason to be depressed, instead use it as an excuse to relax. You create your own meaning, make it a good one.
Personally I've made my meaning the pursuit of scientific truth. Protecting the environment is an extraordinary noble cause, but there are far better organizations than PETA for that.
> Some are more lowly and disgusting than others, but not many are more lowly, nor more disgusting than PETA.
Really? Read the top 100 on this site. Most of them are so anthrocentric (opposite of PETA) ...
People can be absolute bastards, yes. But I'd think the Holocaust would have taught you that, not some cooped up chickens. Can we treat animals more humanely? Yes. But PETA's extremism on the issue makes it difficult to argue that without being compared (extremely unfavorably) to PETA. Any rational discussion that can possibly be had on the subject is ruined before it even starts. Not to mention that there are still bigger problems to solve in the world. That's not to say we can't tackle the problems of industrial farming and animal abuse but when you treat it like it's the only problem in the world, you tend to come off as crazy. Granted, you ALREADY sound crazy but the more layers you add to the crazy cake the more people will say "no thank you, I'm on a diet".
@OhJohnNo
Are we, though? Our closest evolutionary family members might not be writing nocturnes and poetry and exploring space, but I remind you which species invented nuclear weapons, unpaid overtime and gave Justin Bieber a record deal.
This isn't really enough to qualify as a 'fundie', in my view (i.e. someone unwilling to change his or her mind regardless of argumentation or evidence). Just conflicted and angsty.
Speak for yourself.
You worm.
So, faced with that information, your conclusion is that we should just remove ourselves?
Iunno, I think we're making progress, personally. We're not there yet, but we're headed in the right direction.
Whether you are "despicable" or not depends on how you live your life and what you aspire to be.
While many people only act for their own good, alienating everyone else in their own self-absorbed lifestyle, there are people out there who do try to do good in the world, and genuinely want to make the world a better place.
It all depends on what you wish to do and how you go about it.
@ Raise by Horses
She seems to be implying speciescide. "Don't deserve to exist..."
That exemplifies one of humanity's worse qualities, myopia.
(Also, every other life form on this planet is a bastard. By virtues of our minds, we're magnificent bastards. Human survival will depend on the magnificent outweighing the bastard).
Humans are first and foremost animals. Like any other animal, we're capable of incredible kindness and horrific cruelty.
If you want to argue that humans are horrible creatures and shouldn't exist, you might as well make the case that *all* animals should be wiped out entirely and irrevocably.
The truth: <i>natura non contristatur</i>. Whatever you opt to do, the universe doesn't give a shit. Not about you, not about me, not about those poor fuzzy little bunnies locked up tight in tiny cages.
All you can do is decide, based on your visceral emotions and your ability to reason through a problem, and decide what is right or wrong, then try to live by it.
Someone's a woke up feeling a little angsty, huh? Look, so what if there's no point? Make one yourself. That's what makes life so beautiful, the freedom to pursue our own path. We have to take responsibility for our actions, but that's the price for freedom.
It's definitely worth it.
@1558527
The reason this is here, is:
"Don't rock the boat; DON'T ROCK the BOAT!!!"
You guys would call the Dalai Lama fundamentalist for refusing to eat meat.
@ Rubber Chicken
Clearly, you must be joking, since the reproduction of the biosphere would surely be a less haphazard process without logging, fracking and climate change.
@ Rubberchicken
Is Gaia the parent or is mankind the parent? Is Gaia acting through us to use up resources to make the best start for some other offspring? They always used to say that bugs would survive the nuclear holocaust, so that might be it.
Anyway, your theory for why mankind is here is: stuff happens and you hope its all for the best? Well, why not, that's probably as close as we'll get to answering the question of "why" mankind is here.
I'm worried that it is a bit facile, though, if your theory in effect states that whatever we do, it's bound to be part of some "bigger scheme", for does this not simply relieve mankind of responsibility for anything and everything?
@Capello
If you consider Gaia,- the biosphere -, an entity in its own right, then one possible explanation for the role of humanity within that entity is as mechanisms for the reproduction of said entity. Analogues of sperm or eggs if you will, although I see us more as the little motors that drive the tails of the spermatazoa.
There is no conciousness involved, anymore than there is conciousness involved in our own trouser tadpoles. We are simply a biological mechanism.
However, it would seem that, in order for this mechanism to generate a successful outcome, then some form of applied intelligence is quite useful. The potential side effects of this applied intelligence are, it would seem, quite harmful, but by no means fatal, to the biosphere itself.
It is possible that the worse excesses of capitalism are necessary in order for us to travel to the stars. I don't personally believe that but I have to recognise that may be simply wishful thinking on my part.
"Responsibility", being a human construct, can only be accepted or rejected by mankind itself.
PS: Please don't grace Gaiain Cosmism with anything as grand as the title 'theory', it is a belief, nothing more.
@capello
In fact, upon relection,- while walking my dogs just now-, I don't think that I can agree with your concept of collective responsibility at all.
Using your three examples from earlier, how can, for instance, tribes of Amazonian indians be responsible for any of those events ?
Each of those activities are the result of decisions and choices made by individual human beings. By holding a homogonous 'mankind' responsible arn't you allowing those individuals to evade their responsibility and, if we had a sensible world, accountability ?
@#1558527
Read the FAQ page: It should be noted that one can be religious--even a fundamentalist--but not actually attain the vaunted status of "fundie," which needs that special touch only people fitting stereotypical caricatures can provide. Additionally, religion is technically not even a pre-requisite for this, although blind adherence to its ideologies (and those of politics) is perhaps the #1 source of fundies in the universe.
Believing that any species, let alone humankind, does not deserve to exist...is that not blind adherence to an ideology, albeit one of Bina Wagshall's own creation?
@capello moderno
What has wishing humankind didn't exist to do with rocking the boat, the Dalai Lama or whether or not you eat meat?
@ rubber chicken
I'm all with you on the responsibility thing. It was a bad choice of words; what I was thinking was 'nobody being held responsible, whatever they did, because their actions would be seen to somehow fit in the grander scheme of things regardless', more-so than what I wrote: mankind ('collective responsibility').
Just a thought. If you admit that your understanding of the human psyche is so limited, why not refraining yourself about making comments over what you don't understand?. You know, it's what we humans call PRUDENCE.
I could almost agree with this if it wasn't from the Facebook page of PETA, those batshit insane individuals who actually kill more animals than they save. I mean, sure, humans are assholes in general, but that's hardly news. Some people are actually quite nice. And some animals (i.e., beef cows and shrimp) are actually quite tasty. Also, animals are selfish assholes, too, so let's not pretend they're better than us, just because they're not advanced enough to know how to build an atomic bomb.
@ rubber chicken
Yes, kind of. With the difference that gaian cosmism might provide 'ideological justification'. Am I wrong to read what you wrote this way: even though, say, frackin looks horribly wrong it is bound to happen for a very good reason (seen from the perspective of the biosphere). That's why I worried it is a facile solution - if it seems we're helpless when confronting environmental degradation, gaian cosmism helps us embrace that helplesness and give it meaning, more-so than help us end the helplesness. I don't have anything else substantial on offer, though, just the usual left-wing claptrap. Politics instead of mysticism, that kind of stuff.
@ Hasan Prishtina
Hm, I thought this was an anti-bigotry site, but from the fundie defitition it looks more like a political pragmatism site. Which isn't far from what I mean by 'don't rock the boat': Don't try to make me reconsider my habitual adjustment to things - e.g. don't tell me eating industry meat is bad (in your stupid ideology).
Would Dalai Lama actually not fit the minimal fundie definition here: he's a caricature of a buddhist monk that refuses to eat meat out of (blind?)adherence to a religious ideology?
Blind adherence to an ideology and Bina Wagshall. Maybe. What I read at first was sadness 'people are bad to animals', groping for an answer (that is, her not being able to accept her intitial conclusion that mankind is unworthy of existence)and a moral appeal. She doesn't call for the extinction of mankind, she appeals to us be "VERY VERY ashamed. That is all."
We lack a bit of context to know exactly why we should be ashamed though.
@capello moderno
A reasonable reading, except that Gaiain Cosmism doesn't claim to offer solutions to the worlds problems, those are for us, as individuals, to come up with.
I don't see fracking, to use your example, as inevitable, but I'm open to have somebody explain to me its neccessity. I don't believe they'll be successful but I retain enough doubt to acknowledge the possibility.
I hate this kind of immature, selfish, self-hating cunt. Misanthropy is always so childish.
We are part of nature just like an insect or a dolphin or a lion is, we "deserve" to exist just as much as they do.
These humans that you find so contemptible are yourself and your family and everyone you love, they taught you language and culture and fed you and kept you alive, you idiot.
I have to say, as depressing as this quote is (because I've been feeling pretty low about mankind now and then, who hasn't?), the comments here actually brightened my day a bit and made me feel like I can make a change. I don't often leave this site feeling better than I did before I visited. Thanks guys.
I am a nihilist myself. But more in line with the classic Nietzsche view that while life may be empty and pointless by default, we can give it value and meaning ourselves.
We exist because we won, we invented tools, and moved forward. Humanity is moving forward. Always move forward. Moving backwards will not fix anything. To move forward, to advance, will.
Even as I type this now Scientists and Engineers work on newer friendlier means of transportation and power. Humanity is not inherently evil. Moreover inherently stupid. But this can be fixed.
So to you Bina Wagshall. While humanity has wrought destruction, we can bring a bright future. Shall you sit there and complain? Or shall you try to change the future? Stand tall! Do what you think must be done... don't murder anyone for political views, that's not cool at all. Not even attempted murder. We have enough death and misery in this world, more is not needed. Protest! Boycott! Organize groups!
And now that I am done with Bina.
PETA is a messed up organization whose ideals are twisted and not applicable to reality, who have in the pasted opted to euthanize more animals they have saved, when they could have been easily adopted. I do not like them or respect them.
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