Anonymous asked: My boyfriend recently asked me if we could have sex. I tried to explain to him that asking me to have sex with him counts as sexual assault, but he couldn't understand it that piv sex is ONLY okay if I am the one who asks for it. Can you help me try to explain why what he's doing when he asks for sex is misogynistic?
It seems he doesn’t understand sexual harassment to such a degree for all intents and purposes is basically sexual assault.
This is normal; men in general don’t understand even the most basic tactful ways to approach women.
A rule of thumb is that if you can see him, hear him and feel him it’s most definitely sexual assault. Now does that mean that just because you can’t feel him it isn’t sexual assault? No. That’s just something rape culture says. Going by that line of reasoning it wouldn’t be sexual assault if you simply couldn’t feel him as you’d been administered some sort of anesthesia.
So through absurdity reduction we rule out that it’s necessary to feel him. If you can hear him, see him and you feel sexually assaulted then you have been sexually assaulted.
He’s being misogynistic for saying he doesn’t understand. Declarations of boundary are to be followed, not necessarily understood. What he’s saying by replying that he doesn’t understand is that he needs to understand why he shouldn’t violate your boundaries and that’s deeply misogynistic; he wouldn’t need that justification from another man.
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Any form of sex is okay if all the parties consenting to it are adults sui juris and compos mentis, and it doesn't leave lasting damage. It doesn't matter who proposed it. I am rather old for that stuff now, but I surely enjoyed feeling, as well as seeing and hearing, the other party. It doesn't sound as if you are ready for sexual interactions at all.
Meanwhile, where is our Sexists Say the Darnedest Things? I want it by New Year's!
@#1487593:
TBF, that troll face was posted today, and since quotes take a few days to get approved, it wouldn't be known at that point it was a troll blog.
I mean, c'mon, it's Tumblr. Its hard to see sometimes what's a troll and what's not.
There isnt a WTF big enough for this.
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I second Alfador - RUN!!!
"A rule of thumb is that if you can see him, hear him and feel him it’s most definitely sexual assault. Now does that mean that just because you can’t feel him it isn’t sexual assault? No. That’s just something rape culture says. Going by that line of reasoning it wouldn’t be sexual assault if you simply couldn’t feel him as you’d been administered some sort of anesthesia."
Whaaaa...? Is... Is she talking about the actual sex act? how in the world do you avoid feeling sex?! Does he have a microscopic dick or something? And why should seeing and hearing matter?!
People like this- the actual Feminazis- must have the absolute worst intimacy in the history of ever.
I don't have a snarky comment.
I think I'll quote a pop song:
she's a dove
she's a fucking nightmare
unpredicatable it was my mistake to stay here
Having had a look at 'Feminism Rising' I'd say that the whole site is definitely a Poe, almost certainly run by a bloke.
Also, most of the questions and answers are by the same person (writing style) although possibly some genuine hate mail is included.
Okay, so let me get this straight: Your boyfriend, as in someone with whom you share a romantic and intimate relationship, asked for sex, a mere petition with no demand or force for the act? Yet, you maintain that counts as sexual assault unless you ask for it?
What if he declines? Is that misogynistic too? Is the woman supposed to have absolute say in a relationship for it to be fair and equal? And how does one figure out what the boundaries in a relationship even are when so much as asking is so far out of bounds that it approaches rape?
This has got to be a poe, and I refuse to believe otherwise. Not even the most hardline of radical feminists I've ever met hold such far-out views.
To be fair, if you take "no means no" to its absolute extreme, AND believe that men are inherently sexually predatious, capable of assault at any time, and have no 'untainted' sexual desire, I can see an extreme radfem believing this sincerely.
Of course, honestly, I think focusing on the worst radfems is a mistake. Believing in 'male privilege' at all is essentially holding all men responsible for what some men have done, and thus inexcusable bigotry, regardless of how one tries to claim the principle is 'valid' and simply misused by ideologues.
The way to stop thinking in such terms is to see everyone as individuals and judge them as individuals, rather than as the male team and the female team.
As for the last paragraph though, that's kind of a grey area. She states it in the most dictatorial and inflexible way possible, but to be fair wouldn't you feel ill used if you said 'no' point blank to someone's request for sex and they second guessed it by wanting an explanation?
"A rule of thumb is that if you can see him, hear him and feel him it’s most definitely sexual assault."
i read that as if you see a guy in the street 50yards away, yup, it's sexual assault...
totally legit', yo...
So... he shouldn't ask beforehand? He should just pounce on you shouting "surprise!"?
If asking a woman, with whom you are in a relationship, for sex is sexual assault, it is de facto also sexual assault for a woman to request sex of a man.
Congratulations, you've just killed the human species through stupid litigation.
Being a bisexual, i would ask a male for consent and not mind it being asked.
Too bad this be trollin'.
Obvious Poe.
From the same site....
"Anonymous asked: Sometimes when I hit my boyfriend, he hits me back. I've tried telling him to to be abusive and he claims he's 'defending himself'. What should I do?
He’s a man. Call the police immediately, press charges and file a restraining order. Really the only reason to wait a little is if you’re trying to get pregnant. What you’re doing is called empowering. What he’s doing is called domestic violence.
Domestic violence = power + violence
When he does it both elements, power and violence, are present. When you do it neither are really there. You don’t have power in the patriarchy and you can’t really be said to be doing any violence as you’re a member of the oppressed class. Us feminists call it kinetic frustration transfer and it’s not violence. It’s just not the same.
My heart goes out to you sweetheart."
I am a control freak and I like to control men, including their words and thoughts. I like to have a relationship where I have complete control over my partner. If he ever questions this or expresses an honest opinion, OMG RAPE.
Asking for sex is asking for consent. Consensual sex is not sexual assault. If he asks, you say NO, but he still has sex with you, THEN it's sexual assault.
How is it misogynistic to ask for consent? He would ask the same thing from a man, if he was gay.
I sincerely hope that this is a troll or a Poe; you can't be this sensitive and have any kind of relationship with a man.
Anonymous asked: I recently overheard my bastard male roommate "having sex" (i.e. raping) his girlfriend. Obviously, in overhearing the sounds of his unprovoked savagery, am I legally allowed to extract his seed from used condoms (which he barbarically disposes in his bedroom trashcan) and if utilized successfully, am I entitled to at least 18 years of financial compensation?
Not only may you acquire and sow yourself with it, but you may share it with as many other women as you like so that they may sow themselves with it too. He made his choice when he left his seed unattended and must take responsibility for his actions. If you conceive a child it is entitled to at the very least 18 years of financial support and the best way to financially support a child is to financially support its mother.
This was my favorite. Bogus site for sure.
another spinster in the making.
Become a political lesbian (I've never understood how some women seem able switch their sexuality for political reasons - as a gay man I couldn't be sexually attracted to a woman!) then you'll never have to suffer PIV sex
@#1487664
"not being a whore == fundie"
No but being an irrational and crazy feminist is.
Not all feminist are crazy and irrational and I do support equality for woman but some of them go off the deep end.
Having sex with your boyfriend is not being a whore.
Nor is asking your girlfriend to have sex sexual harassment.
Nor is it misogynistic to fail to understand how asking your girlfriend to have sex is sexual assault.
What exactly about this comment seemed normal to you? If it wasn't a poe.
Seriously, people, this isn't even a good poe. It's literally just listing MRA talking points that are never part of any actual feminist discussion, and THE TOP POST IS A TROLLFACE. My guess is this is someone trying to bait gullible MRAs by telling them what they want to hear. Y'all's trolldar is way, way off.
Other considerations apart, why does this idiot have a boyfriend to begin with?, wouldn´t it be better to be celibate, with such an insight of the world?
Meh, this POE couldn't be more obvious if they had a midi in the background that was playing a continuous loop of the trololol song.
I mean come on the article actually says if you see, feel, or hear a man you are being sexually assaulted. That's definite sarcasm.
"Declarations of boundary are to be followed, not necessarily understood."
In other words, blindly follow. More proof that all whackjobs are the same.
Nothing to see here folks, move along. Radfems only exist in the fevered imaginations of MRAs. Feminism only entails the notion "women are people", anything more is an MRA fabrication. What do you mean, "that's all four decades of womens studies has produced?" ? That's exactly the kind of question RAPISTS ask. You RAPIST!
Him asking you to have sex isn't sexual harassment if he's your boyfriend. You can say no, but if you're in a committed relationship, he has just as much right to ask you for sex as you do to ask him for sex.
You are completely fucking insane. And so is the lunatic who asked the original question.
And while this might be a troll, we've seen enough nutters from RadFem Hub say essentially the same thing.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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