[A psychologist, criticizing Tzvi Fishman's anti-masturbation writings, asks, "Can you please answer a simply question, how many people do you know who's teeth have fallen out because they masturbate regularly?"]
Yes, I know many people who have false teeth and dentures. I also am perfectly comfortable with the Rambam's explanation that it is due to sexual transgression.
As far as your theory: 'Actually in my experience it is the religious guilt regarding sexuality that causes turmoil rather than the sexuality itself," Freud said the same thing. Not only did his teeth fall out, he developed cancer of the mouth, G-d forbid, had to undergo some 30 painful operations, and finally asked his doctor to administer a lethal dose of morphine to put him out of his pain.
Nothing positive will come out of letting people think that masturbation and other sexual transgression is a small matter. In his book, “Orot HaTshuva,” Rabbi Kook explains that the sufferings of anxiety and depression that many people feel (what you call religious guilt) are the sufferings of the soul which is afflicted with sin, cutting the person off from G-d and alienating him from the harmony of existence.
In the case of masturbation, Kabbalists explain this torment as deriving from destructive spiritual forces (kelipot) caused by the sin, which attach themselves to a person and plague him like a radioactive cloud.
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I am jewish. I follow reform judaism which allows masterbation we realise that is a healthy firm of physical and emotional release. I have masterbated many many times and have all of my teeth except for wisdom teeth and one molar these teeth had to be pulled because of ordinary reasons they didn't just fall out .not bad for a fifty two year old.
At one time jews believed that the babys were in the semen. The sin of mastermation was called tashlikh zera or the waisting of seed. This was like spewing babys everywhere. Medical knowlege has progressed so much since this doctrine was formulated! We jews do have our fundies we call them ultra-orthodox. They along with some of the regular orthodox really believe they have the absolute unchangable truth on many things and remain frozen in the past. I know that the ultra-orthodox in israel are so afraid of the world that the internet is forbidden to them unless if it is needed for nuisness reasons. These people drive destructive politics in israel just like the religous right drives it in the us. Same shit different toilet.
Reform, conservitive, reconstructionist and humanistic(atheistic) judaism do permit masterbation and homosexuality.
In the early seventys good scientific research came in that established that homosexuality was an inate personality trait. Thr reform movement dropped opposition to homosexuality whitch it before this considered it to be bad behaivior.
K
We believe that science trumps the torah. We even believe eveloution to be true. In the us the hard core fundys make up less than twenty percent.
When I was a teenager and young adult, I beat my dick like it owed me money. I still have all my teeth (including all four wisdom teeth), I still have my eyesight, and I've never had to shave my palms.
Face it, it's normal, it's natural, and the people who don't masturbate or have sex are the unnatural people. What kind of turmoil will your life be in when you're single, so you're not supposed to have sex, but you can't masturbate to relieve your sexual tensions either? I've always had somewhat of a high sex drive so I'd been walking around with a permanent hard on for most of my young adult life.
This is the FOURTH post I've WTFed today... it has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read, even on FSTDT. This should work it's way up into the top 100... but I suspect it's a poe. It's just... too ridiculous. It's too crazy to be real. And Rabbi Kook ? Oh come on, this is too perfect!
"'Actually in my experience it is the religious guilt regarding sexuality that causes turmoil rather than the sexuality itself," Freud said the same thing. Not only did his teeth fall out, he developed cancer of the mouth, G-d forbid, had to undergo some 30 painful operations, and finally asked his doctor to administer a lethal dose of morphine to put him out of his pain."
Or maybe he got cancer from smoking.
"In the case of masturbation, Kabbalists explain this torment as deriving from destructive spiritual forces (kelipot) caused by the sin, which attach themselves to a person and plague him like a radioactive cloud."
OMG, Body Thetans!
Note that Fishman doesn't answer the question: "How many people do you know whose teeth have fallen out because they masturbate regularly." Instead he cites a bunch of authorities, and "refutes" Freud's explanation* by (dare I say?) poisoning the well. (Protip: cigar smoking is far more likely to cause oral cancer than masturbation.)
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* Not that Freud's explanations are necessarily right; quite the contrary. In this case, though, he made a valid observation ... perhaps because he talked to patients instead of consulting the writings of centuries-dead, superstitious old men.
"Can you please answer a simply question, how many people do you know who's teeth have fallen out because they masturbate regularly?"
Well this is new. My mother always told me it would make me go blind. So this is why I can only eat soup.
I fiddle my boobies & enjoy the buzz of a "vibrating egg"....I still have my teeth & eyesight and my palms are smooth as a baby's tush.
Rabbi KOOK? How fitting!
Is Fishman related to Halibut* & Fly-boy**, by any chance?
(*Hurlbut, **Schafly)
"Kookie, Fish Man, Sole Brother & Da Fly", sounds like a great name for a rock band...or perhaps some cheesy R & B/Funk/Hip Hop outfit.
"As far as your theory: 'Actually in my experience it is the religious guilt regarding sexuality that causes turmoil rather than the sexuality itself,' Freud said the same thing. Not only did his teeth fall out, he developed cancer of the mouth, G-d forbid, had to undergo some 30 painful operations, and finally asked his doctor to administer a lethal dose of morphine to put him out of his pain."
Freud smoked several large cigars daily for a good portion of his life, but I'm sure that had absolutely nothing to do with any of that.
"Nothing positive will come out of letting people think that masturbation and other sexual transgression is a small matter. In his book, 'Orot HaTshuva,' Rabbi Kook explains that the sufferings of anxiety and depression that many people feel (what you call religious guilt) are the sufferings of the soul which is afflicted with sin, cutting the person off from G-d and alienating him from the harmony of existence."
Rabbi Kook? Now that's an apt name if I ever saw one.
"In the case of masturbation, Kabbalists explain this torment as deriving from destructive spiritual forces (kelipot) caused by the sin, which attach themselves to a person and plague him like a radioactive cloud."
You guys spend way too much time coming up with your bullshit.
Tzvi still hasn't realised that this is why God invented the Tenga Flip Hole!
And a small plastic peanut container with a vibrating egg fixed rigidly to it fits neatly over one's man-thing (so I've heard), and provides a nice hands-free way to stimulate oneself to a white hot eruption that's safely contained. Or so they tell me. Not that I would know personally of course...
@dp
"i masturbate regularly, and have since i was twelve."
You lucky person! I was 16 before I discovered the gentle art of making myself explode.
Did you know *not* spanking the monkey increases risk of prostate cancer? Or that the same country that coined the term 'Wanker' and 'Wanker's Cramp' (The deadliest of all British diseases!) Has the highest ratio of healthy teeth in the world? Brits just aren't as keen on bleaching their teeth as Americans, thus the idiot stereotype based on surface appearance.
Ever think maybe bad health is caused by the kind of negligence that results from being deliberately ignorant of medicine and biology and attributing everything to fucking voodoo and imagined sin?
I regularly please my ladybits, and have only ever had like 2 cavities in my life...
And I got over the anxiety and depression when I realized the religion I was raised in was hogwash.
Holy shitsnacks is this stupid!
I've been taking care of business since I was 13-20 years now. I do enjoy the use of BOB but I much prefer the real thing...actually I'm going to go & pester him right now.
I've had 8 teeth removed-4 wisdoms & 4 when I got braces because my mouth was overcrowded & my canines were coming in (I felt like I had fangs)
I never take anyone named Kook seriously.
Hey, I masturbate; I have had no health problems and all my teeth are there!
You, sir, fail miserably!
It sounds like all problems are caused by "religious guilt". Just stop teaching little boys and girls that masturbation is bad for you, and there will be no more "religious guilt" to cause problems. Easy, peasy.
"Rambam"
...a-lam-a-ding-dong! X3
"Orot HaTshuva"
...a disease of the head, spread via degradation of the inner component of headgear when it's vigorously placed on one's head. X3
"kelipot"
Well, Kelly may have one, but your argument doesn't have one to piss in (all in a)Tizzy! X3
And wanking resulting in one's teeth falling out? There's another to add to the list of symptoms, along with hairy palms, stunted growth, blindness, and voting Conservative. [/"Brand New Monty Python Bok"] X3
Confused?
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