Quote# 82779

I liked the Twilight movies for three reasons.

(1) Edward and Bella are remarkably mature, cultured, articulate, and well-mannered teenagers. Edward, of course, has been a teenager for a very long time. But Bella has not. The Twilight Saga teaches young people that being well-mannered and well-spoken and developing a taste for European high culture, is not incompatible with being young, attractive, and fun.

(2) The Twilight movies promote the aesthetic appreciation of whiteness, since both Bella and the vampires have very pale complexions, which heighten our awareness of the beauty and expressiveness of white features. This effect was strongest in the first Twilight movie directed by Catherine Hardwicke. The second movie, directed by Chris Weitz, and the present film, directed by David Slade, somewhat undermine this effect by giving the vampires a creepy, corpse-like pallor.

(3) Most importantly, the Twilight movies are anti-feminist, emphasizing traditional male and female roles. They are a return to an older form of literature combining chivalry and Gothic horror.

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From a racialist point of view, my only quarrel with the Twilight Saga is Bella’s relationship with the American Indian Jacob Black. But in the end Bella chooses a man of her own race. My initial instinct would have been to leave out the whole interracial romance, but have changed my mind. Young women today are being bombarded with pro-miscegenation propaganda, so perhaps it is healthier to acknowledge that such temptations exist but show Bella choosing her own kind in the end.

Trevor Lynch, Counter-Currents Publishing 72 Comments [7/24/2011 4:40:52 AM]
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Professor Cold Heart

Just when I was thinking "you know, maybe Twilight fans aren't so annoying after all", this piece of work comes along.

7/24/2011 4:48:32 AM

Yownanymous

Stephenie Meyer is a moron that needs basic writing lessons, Trevor Lynch is a moron that needs to go outside and try being sociable. Next!

7/24/2011 5:11:48 AM

cdcdrr

The pasty white protagonists of these movies are anything but beautiful. They look fake, antropomorphic. That sparkling just makes it obvious these are not human beings. They're not even vampires. Vampires would be pale, but at least they would still look human and not like the light is being sucked out of their skin! Your fixation with white purity has really blinded you to how terrible this trilogy is.

7/24/2011 5:22:33 AM

Scorpius

Okay,let's list it.

1. The main characters are none of that. They are rude, condescending, elitists and sociopaths who could care less about the world around them.

2. The paleness factor,makes them look incredibly stupid.I'll take Leah Clearwater over Bella any day. As for the creepy corpselike pallor. Their undead,they are corpses,which tend to be creepy.

3. How in the fuck is that good? Meyers is also more then anti-feminist, she's anti-human.

To end it,the books suck,the movies suck, the author sucks, and your entire take on the books is as bad as hers.

7/24/2011 6:31:37 AM

Comrade Potatovich

That's ironic, because Blade, AKA the best vampire, was black.

7/24/2011 6:57:24 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Ohoho, Twilight fans are racists. I kind of suspected that. We all know that the only people who like the books either want to have Edward Cullen's children, or, like this man, are horribly horribly reactionary. But let's go down the list:

1. Bella and Edward? Mature? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That is the funniest thing I have ever heard or ever will hear. Nothing can top that in terms of sheer humor.

2. Have you seen the trailers to those movies? Robert Pattinson as Edward is unhealthily pale. At least you've revealed that the only reason you like that series is because its protagonists are white. Ergo, had Edward been of any other race, you would have been on our side saying that Twilight is an affront to literature, the English language, and the entire book publishing industry. My nine-year-old sister could probably write a better story than Stephenie Meyer.

3. Go fuck yourself. Bella's doormat-ness is one of the many many reasons why people hate her, namely, that she has no personality and is an entitled bitch.

As for your last paragraph, your bigotry is showing. In your mind, non-white equals savage and evil by default, so you just can't conceive of the notion that a non-white character is not an out-and-out villain. Despicable.

7/24/2011 7:21:57 AM



This guy's review of The King's Speech criticises it for being unfair to Hitler. Says it all, really.

7/24/2011 7:27:19 AM

jsonitsac


7/24/2011 7:30:43 AM

aaa

What the fuck is this.

7/24/2011 7:32:04 AM

D Laurier

Badly writen books, give rise to badly scripted movies.
Wooden acting and cheezy dialogue, plus a generaly lame message that self respect is somehow a bad thing

7/24/2011 7:34:51 AM

Percy Q. Shunn

I'm still trying to understand why vampires need to go to highschool.

7/24/2011 9:01:09 AM



Wow, this is almost as vacuous as the actual books. Well done Trev.

7/24/2011 9:39:05 AM

Creedence Leonore Gielgud

Somehow I knew any male Twilight fans would just have to be (self-)named something like Trevor.

7/24/2011 11:45:33 AM

ChakatBlackstar

Wait...same kind? same kind?! She picked a freaking vampire. He's not even human for crying out loud. He's not even a real vampire because I'm sorry Twilight fans, but real vampires don't sparkle.

7/24/2011 11:55:08 AM

Fawful has seen God has a vagina on top of his penis

Time to quote the Critic:

[On Bella] This has to be the most selfish, male-dependent, uncaring, manipulative, self-centered, pretentious, idiotic, whining little bitch-bag you will ever see in your entire life! And honestly, that wouldn't be too bad a character, that'd be very, very interesting IF IT WAS INTENTIONAL!!! But it's not! Bella is supposed to represent the every-day teenage girl. If that's the case, then Stephenie Meyer the story really got mixed up on who the blood-sucking monster is! She thinks she is tortured even though really she has no problems. She gets a crush on a boy and decides she wants to marry him, even though, she's not even out of highschool yet. She wants to be turned into a vampire, which everyone has said is throwing her life away. But of course! At the enlightening age of 17 she already knows exactly what she wants! (Arent' you glad you followed through with every bright idea you had at 17? Aren't you glad you totally commited to something that you knew you could never make a mistake on at that age?) Oh yeah! 17! Nobody ever fucks up at that age! The boyfriend [Edward] tries to leave her so that he can "save" her but she constantly keeps throwing herself off cliffs and putting herself in danger just so he can notice her. Good. Fucking. God! (That's right girls. If your boyfriend leaves you: do exactly this! I assure you it won't backfire in the least! Sure, you might be dead but, that'll teach him!)

7/24/2011 12:18:01 PM

Fawful has seen God has a vagina on top of his penis

She then gets another boy [Jacob] involved, who actually seems suportive and attentive, but she dumps him because the other guy looks at her weird. And by god! How can she turn down a guy with no personality that just looks at her weird?! (Again, one of those brilliant choices you make at 17) So now a whole war is going on. All because of her. And everyone is going out of their way to try and protect her, and she's simply like "Yeah, that's cool". (Oh, wait. She does try to say once that she's not worth it, but that only lasts a few seconds. She then realizes that she is worth it! And is totally on board with having muscle boys carrying her around everywhere) And just as her boyfriend finally agrees to marry her (imagine, a boy pressured into marriage), she dicks around with the other guy. Yet. Again. Oh my god! I mean. Oh. My. God. I've never seen a character more needy and more insecure. She's such a dumbass in distress that it's actually kinda scary. She is! A scary! Character! In another dimension, maybe she could've been a great Shakespeare villain: this really complex, developed psychotic mind. But as the common, every-day relatable girl that we're all supposed to identify with? She is and will always be the BIGGEST. DUMBASS. IN DISTRESS.

7/24/2011 12:23:56 PM

Fawful has seen God has a vagina on top of his penis

[Now for the commenter's side, edited to include Metalface's (\m/>_<\m/) good points] To complete what the Critic said, Bella not only is needy, but is also really immature. Twilight is nothing more than fundie Christian propaganda: no standing up for yourself, no female independence, men do everything (and apparently both sides submit and get dominated on by the other), no contraception, no basic sex ed knowledge nor talks about boys ("Have you seen Ricky's... You know?") and all have sex after marriage. Edward lives in a forest and sparkles. He's more like a fairy than a fucking vampire. He's a pervert watching Bella sleep without her knowledge (if I did that in real life cops would arrest the shit out of me) and he keeps snooping around in her life and "forcing" her to give up her human friends in order to be with him (again, some Domination and Submission going on here for both sides). And just as they finally have sex, Bella gets pregnant (basically impossible, since they're actually different species), which wouldn't be too bad except that she's FUCKING 19 (by the end of the final book)! Also, notice how she already wants to marry Edward, even though she only has a crush on him. Love is not decided on a crush. And finally, instead of aborting her child (which by the way is literally putting her life in danger and Edward turns her into a vampire so that she doesn't die in labor) and making way for porn sequels for the more perverted guys who really liked to see them fuck forever and ever, she decides to keep it. I mean, one thing is marriage and another thing is a career. One can decide at 17 what to do with his/her life and what job he/she is going to do to earn money, but marrying at that age? I'm sure most 17 year-olds wouldn't want to be in that situatuion. A child is not something that's decided overnight. Sure, babies are beauiful, but you have to put up with their cries, whines, tantrums, stupidities, and wake up late at night to make the crying stop. People have children at 30 for a reason: they don't want to spend energy on a baby unless they feel like they're ready. But at 17?! It's already ruining your life! Throw being turned into a vampire and your life is a mess! Twilight has no character developement, no character personalities and is just a Romantic Christian propaganda book so girls do what Mormons (yes, Stephenie Meyer is a Mormon) want them to do: sex after marriage, sex is only for procreation and girls must obey their husbands. People like Trevor or Meyer disgust me to no end. They are the ones that keep decaying on a more advancing society.

7/24/2011 12:29:27 PM

Agahnim

@Yownanymous

What you said.

7/24/2011 1:24:30 PM

\m/>_<\m/

@fawful: true true and true, although you forget a few things: the relationship is quite unhealthy (attempted suicide, looking elsewhere, a 9-MONTH-LONG FUNK that in the movie is no change from the norm), sex ed what sex ed? (interspecies romance, and yet no contraception) coupled with going at it like rabbits (throw in hollywood sex, if you're a troper), a real unwanted D/s mechanic (with roles swapping), and i'm sure there's a precedent for having 90 year old teens acting like this is the real world (and being so committed to faith...

7/24/2011 1:28:17 PM

Beccs

Twilight: The story of a young girl's choice between necorphilia and bestiality.

7/24/2011 2:40:34 PM

Paradoxical

Is it wrong that I'm more horrified by a grown man liking Twilight than by the racism espoused here?

7/24/2011 2:55:56 PM

Anon

"Edward and Bella are remarkably mature, cultured, articulate, and well-mannered teenagers."
Yeah, you're wrong on all those counts there.

"Most importantly, the Twilight movies are anti-feminist, emphasizing traditional male and female roles"
Now this one you're right about. But that's not a good thing. That's a criticism.

Oh wow, I'd love this guy to meet Team Jacob. They would kill him for saying such blasphemy against their ship.

Oh, so the new word for it is "racialist". Because "racist" is an insult, but "racialist" is just stating your beliefs.

Wait, so it's bad to have a white pallor but whiteness is good? Make up your mind. You can't say "whiteness is good" and that it "brings out white features" and then say "but not too white".

7/24/2011 3:03:03 PM

J. James

Trevor Lynch? Trevor LYNCH!?? Fuck you with a shark! I hope you wear a red tuxedo and walk into Crip territory, you fuck!

7/24/2011 3:06:30 PM

ShadowNet

Yet another justification of why I find the Twilight series so revolting.

7/24/2011 5:45:17 PM



This should take care of that problem:


7/24/2011 6:08:49 PM

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