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American Christians may one day find themselves facing legal penalties simply for believing marriage can only exist between a man and a woman, a fate already suffered by believers in other countries, said the leader of America’s most influential Catholic pulpit this week.

Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York reflected on his blogThursday on the recent legalization of gay “marriage” in New York, and what repercussions true marriage supporters can expect in the future.

... “If the experience of those few other states and countries where this is already law is any indication, the churches, and believers, will soon be harassed, threatened, and hauled into court for their conviction that marriage is between one man, one woman, forever, bringing children into the world,” wrote the archbishop.

Christians in the UK, Canada, and elsewhere have lost their jobs, been dragged through lengthy “human rights” proceedings, and faced steep fines for questioning the dangerous homosexual lifestyle, declining to facilitate gay “marriages,” or even failing to acknowledge “gay pride” events.

Archbishop Timothy Dolan, LifeSite News 57 Comments [7/15/2011 3:42:34 AM]
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Fpqxz

Well, some countries have stronger hate speech laws than the USA does. But Xians and others are still free to think as they please...at least until the Islamic takeover of Europe is complete.

7/15/2011 3:50:38 AM

Anon2

Christians in the UK, Canada, and elsewhere have lost their jobs, been dragged through lengthy “human rights” proceedings, and faced steep fines for questioning the dangerous homosexual lifestyle, declining to facilitate gay “marriages,” or even failing to acknowledge “gay pride” events.

Examples of real cases, please.

I am quite sure that no one has lost his job, was fined, or has been dragged through "proceedings" just for questioning homosexuality.

I am quite sure that this "questioning" was done with methods which deserve such punishment. Like:

- Not doing ones job and proselytizing customers instead. Clear cause for getting fired.
- Open violence, like attacking property, spraying it with hateful messages. Clear cause for criminal conviction.

7/15/2011 4:02:36 AM

Bollox

Or discriminating against homosexual customers by denying them service. Clear cause for conviction.

7/15/2011 4:12:49 AM



Yes, it is true. In Britain very religious Christians have been prosecuted and received small fines for denying services to gay couples or teaching children that it is acceptable to hate gay people. Good. Its called civilisation.

A senior member of the Catholic Church speaking up AGAINST gay sex? Oh, sorry, speaking up against gay relationships. Gay sex is fine as long as the kid keeps quiet.

7/15/2011 4:23:49 AM

Xotan

Archbishop, put your own house in order before you preach to others. Paedophilia is rampant and protected in/among your church/ministers.

Take note that Ireland is in the process of making it a criminal offence not to report sexual offences. This projected legislation is aimed at those in high office in the church who protected criminals in defiance of the spirit of the law.

7/15/2011 4:54:45 AM



Good, you bigoted fucks.

7/15/2011 5:00:35 AM

Pule Thamex

Surely, as one of the world's foremost authorities in homosexual matters, particularly when involving young people, shouldn't we listen attentively to what the Catholic Church and its experts on homosexuality tell us?

7/15/2011 5:05:24 AM

Canadia

I CAN'T OPPRESS PEOPLE, I'M BEING OPPRESSED!

7/15/2011 5:09:34 AM

tmarcl

For the umpteenth time, you are more than welcome to believe anything you want - you can believe in god, the tooth fairy, or even that the president is actually a reptilian alien sent to control us - no one cares.

When you start trying to enforce that belief in others, then we care.

7/15/2011 5:14:32 AM

Selkie

Projecting much? Inquisitions don't look as much fun when you're not in charge I suppose. Not that this isn't inflammatory g
horseshit.

7/15/2011 5:30:39 AM

SeekerLancer

Boo hoo we're taking away your gay bashing sticks and it makes you feel so oppressed and you're going to make crap up about it.

Cry me a river so I can sail the S.S. I Don't Give a Fuck on it.

7/15/2011 5:37:13 AM

Passerby

"the churches, and believers, will soon be harassed, threatened, and hauled into court for their conviction that marriage is between one man, one woman, forever, bringing children into the world,” wrote the archbishop.

Uh-huh. What about sterile or barren individuals? How about hermaphrodites? People that just don't want kids? And what the fuck is up with first cousins marrying while religious assholes keep going on about the laws of nature forbidding gay people from tying the knot or adopting kids? Way to selectively apply an already moronic premise so that the only possible outcome is retarded.


7/15/2011 5:39:06 AM

Dan Onymous

Which UK Christians?

There's been the odd case where people actively discriminating against gays have been prosecuted but that's about it.

If you refuse to do the job you're paid for, there's not much point whingeing when you get told off for it.

7/15/2011 5:52:43 AM

nutbunny

you can think whatever you want.
you can, in many countries, say whatever you want.
you can't fuck up other people's lives based on your fucking silly superstitions

7/15/2011 6:09:55 AM

jadehawk

meh; the only time Christians were "persecuted" for being anti-gay is when they had jobs as civil/public servants; because other countries have this crazy notion that someone in a government position acts as an extension of the government, and thus must conform to government policy, not to their personal beliefs.

7/15/2011 6:14:00 AM

Doubting Thomas

Too bad we don't have some kind of legal protection in the U.S. Constitution to prohibit government from doing that. You know, like an amendment or something.

7/15/2011 6:36:20 AM

meh

I doubt this is true, but if it is I say, "Ha. Karma bitches!"

7/15/2011 6:39:26 AM

Raised by Horses


7/15/2011 6:39:34 AM

Tallyho

Citation Needed!

7/15/2011 6:46:53 AM

Nowonmai

Once more time, Timmy. Living in the city, or on the beach, or in a studio apartment is a lifestyle. Homosexuality isn't.

7/15/2011 6:50:12 AM

derpmaster

Nobody will ever face "legal penalties" for what they believe. If your beliefs should cause you to break the law, then that's your own fucking problem and hardly the same thing.

7/15/2011 7:16:16 AM

Agahnim

Fundies sure have a persecution complex. Anyone have the pie chart?

7/15/2011 7:28:32 AM

John

the churches, and believers, will soon be harassed, threatened, and hauled into court for their conviction that marriage is between one man, one woman, forever, bringing children into the world

No one will be hauled into court for believing anything they want. If they act on those beliefs and actively discriminate, they may lose their jobs or get sued, depending on the circumstances.

7/15/2011 7:33:53 AM

Xotan

@ Pule Thamex

I would feel more at ease if you made a clearer distinction between homosexuality and paedophilia; between the acts of consenting adults and misusing the authority of office to influence or bully minors into sexual abuse.

7/15/2011 7:42:07 AM

barfman

So, if I had an employee who, let's say hate sblack people. In fact, he hates black people so much, he ONLY calls them "niggers". Would I be wrong to fire him? -Fundies say NO

On the other hand, if I had an employee who, let's say, hates gay people. In fact, he hates gay people so much, he ONLY calls them "faggots". Would I be wrong to fire him? -Fundies say YES


I find it doubtful that people are that many instances of honest, hard-working employees being let go because they don't embrace the gay lifestyle. I imagine their termination, in most cases, has something to do with their open bigotry; And that is something that is NEVER acceptable in the workplace.

7/15/2011 8:20:02 AM

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