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It is said that, when a man dies, that part of him which is of this world returns to it, and that which is from the Lord, called 'soul,' returns to Him, or is banished from Him. Women show no evidence of having a soul, and so it follows that they cannot be banished, nor can they be exalted, after death. Like everything else that is of this world, they simply decompose, and so it should follow that women have no fear of Hell.

This belief is common in many ancient religions, and is still the belief of a sect of Islam in central Iraq.

Nim, Men going their own way 109 Comments [5/8/2011 4:15:34 AM]
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Oh no, please don't exclude me from your fundamentalistic beliefs!

Nah, just kidding. Thank you for giving me a free pass to go against your god and not caring when people say I'm going to hell for not believing.

5/8/2011 4:38:48 AM

Pule Thamex

So dunderheaded have you become that now you have to disparage women by claiming they don't have something that doesn't even exist in the first place. What a twerp.

5/8/2011 4:39:57 AM


Gah, double post >__>

5/8/2011 4:40:57 AM


Because if a woman feared hell she'd immediately rip her shirt off and fall to her knees in front of him screaming MAKE LOVE TO ME NOOOOW!!!

5/8/2011 4:42:26 AM

Man Called True

Any woman who spent a half-hour in your presence would indeed have no need to fear Hell.

5/8/2011 4:47:23 AM


No-one shows any evidence of having a soul.

5/8/2011 4:47:35 AM

Raised by Horses

Now, apply the same principle to men, and you will have arrived at the truth.

Something tells me that's not about to happen, though. It would require, erm... what's it called again? Oh, yeah. Thinking.

5/8/2011 5:05:37 AM


@Pule Thamex and rw23 (plus any others who are about to say we don't have souls):

Just because you have not defined the soul or understand what it is, that does not mean it does not exist. You cannot refute a religious fundy by returning an unsupported viewpoint for their unsupported viewpoint. Lack of proof of a positive is not the same as proof of a negative.

And women are just as valid as men in every sense. There is no excuse for misogyny on any level.

5/8/2011 5:11:03 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

That's not how the Koran works.

Ergo, Islamic fundies and Christian fundies are alike in their practice of NOT reading their own holy book.

5/8/2011 5:12:21 AM


As a woman, who is equally as possessed of a soul as you are, I ask you to kindly STFU until you learn some common sense. We're the same godsdamned SPECIES. If we were as bizarrely different as you morons insist, we'd never be able to reproduce!

5/8/2011 5:29:52 AM

I'm certain that Mary, the earthly mother of Your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, would take offense to that.

As would Jesus himself, being a progressive hippie who just had his mother insulted.

The Apostles were rather cross with their Lord on several occasions when he ditched their sausage party to hang out with Mary Magdalene and other women, at one point asking if Jesus favored her over them.

Think about the implications of the immaculate birth. No *man* was involved with the birth of Christ. If men were really special why not make Joeseph "Mr. Mom" just to knock up the miracle another notch.

The word of God AKA Your own opinion will not help you here. We are physically designed to be incapable of going on as a species without the opposite sex. Why exactly would God decree either one of us the lesser but make us so interdependant for survival?

I'll go by what I can see with my own eyes. Women are just as capable of compassion and cruelty as men. As familiar with sober thought as emotional outburst. Equally prone to establishing dominance (though methods differ) and just as likely to rebel against control.

In other words: no difference between us spiritually.

Sorry if I've jostled your childish fantasies and ruined the dynamic of your game of house little boy, but the adults are talking now and they have grown-up things to do.

5/8/2011 5:37:27 AM

Raised by Horses


Simple question: What is a soul, and where can it be found?

The supposition that man has a soul separate from his body and conscience is an old one, yet scientists throughout the ages have not been able locate, through multiple experiments and measurements, any such force, and believe me, it isn't for a lack of trying. The answer to deduct from this? Souls are a human invention, much as the concept of an afterlife.

We have a hard time believing that life simply ends when it ends. ("No! There must be an afterlife!"). But saying that it's true simple because we want to believe in it? That's begging the question if I ever saw it.

"And women are just as valid as men in every sense. There is no excuse for misogyny on any level."

Agreed 100%.

5/8/2011 5:46:30 AM


Just because there's a line in Led Zeppelin's "Rock and Roll" (I don't know but I've been told / Big-legged woman ain't got no soul) that doesn't make it true.

5/8/2011 6:08:35 AM

Haha, I found that quote too when reading the original post of one of the other inane anti-women posts. these guy are crazy.
but yay, the next time someone tries to convert me i will simply point out that as a woman i don't have a soul.

5/8/2011 6:16:25 AM

Pule Thamex

@ Whatever

So dunderheaded has Nim become that now he has to disparage women by claiming that they don't have something that nobody can prove even exists in the first place. What a twerp. Whatever ...

5/8/2011 6:26:44 AM



Nim was using the soul as in 'separation of mind and body' sense (something which has to all but the staunchest philosophers - who often acknowledge that they are essentially trolls by trade - been proven false to reasonable certainty), not in the sense of "soul is the pattern of the mind".

5/8/2011 6:38:55 AM


Women show no evidence of having a soul, just like men.

Women should have no fear of hell nor the traditional constraints this fear has placed upon them. Because it doesn't exist.

5/8/2011 6:40:56 AM


I'm with 'whatever'!

Don't ridicule us for our belief in a soul. I respect your atheism...YOU respect our theism...got that?!

Ridicule instead, the religious fundies, zealots and hypocrites!

I believe in science, logic, reason, common sense, personal freedom, equal rights & so on...I also believe in a spiritual reality & an afterlife!

Matter, Mind & Spirit are one and the same! All is one! None of these are seperate. Separation is an illusion. Matter, Mind & Spirit are different wavelengths...like different radio stations or TV channels, if you will. You can't perceive all at once (although some rare people can to an extent). Reality is Pantheistic & Monistic. There is no "Supernatural". There is no "God" in the sense of a big guy in the sky who's apart from everything. The Supernatural/Paranormal/Godhead is part of a big continum. Thus, in a way, you are just as right as I am.

This is just my view, of course. I'll respect yours. Quit ridiculing spiritual people. We're not all the same! Ridicule fundies & staunch religionists, instead! Thank you. *HUGS*

5/8/2011 7:33:17 AM



You realize that making baseless assertions followed by demands that no one question you is pretty much the foundation of fundamentalism, yes?

5/8/2011 7:56:48 AM


I agree that women don't have souls. However, men don't have them either. Neither do children. Nor do animals. Because souls don't exist. To quote Bart Simpson, "There's no such thing as a soul. It's just something they made up to scare kids, like the boogeyman or Michael Jackson."

5/8/2011 8:02:32 AM


And Nim(rod) is a misogynistic imbecile.

5/8/2011 8:03:36 AM


So, 'Dum' & the guys from "Morons Going Their Own Way", I'm not only a shark with a walnut-sized brain who can't feel love, I have no soul, too...nice.... =P

To 'schism' & co. Read my post again:

"I respect your atheism...YOU respect our theism."
"I respect your atheism...YOU respect our theism."
"I respect your atheism...YOU respect our theism."


Gha! It's all or nothing with some of you guys? Fundies come in both stripes: Religious & Atheistic...no "middle ground" with these guys! Nothing's "shades of grey" with these people! You can be Atheistic or Theistic and NOT IMPOSE IT ON PEOPLE!

5/8/2011 8:18:46 AM

When I was in a fundie cult, I was taught that the soul is the physical processes that run the body. I'm pretty sure all living things have that. As to the regular fundie idea of the soul, that's probably romanticizing the brain, just like when people say their heart tells them something.

5/8/2011 8:19:18 AM

Huckster Sam

So sayeth our Lord, Spanky McFarland!

5/8/2011 8:33:08 AM

If women have no soul, what would the meaning of obeying God would be?. I don't know about Iraq or Islam(or that kind of Islam for that matter), but I think that the only religion which supports that kibosh was Mithraism, which, by the way, didn't believe in the existence of souls(he forbade women to join the religion, though). It may be for a reason.

5/8/2011 8:36:08 AM

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