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Your entire political system condones is based on greed, gluttony, pride and envy. Do you condone greed, gluttony, pride and envy ? If you think that your belief system should be made into law, why aren't you striving against all those "sinful behaviors" that are condoned, protected, sometimes even mandated by the law ? Why, why are you a goddamned conservative ?
When the Government embraces homosexuality, it forces us to do so as well.
Just like by allowing all seven deadly sins, adultery, divorce, blasphemy, working on the Sabbath, equal rights, witches to live, drink alcohol, eat shellfish, lying, apostasy...
You see how you are more than slightly full of shit?
Marriage IS under attack...
by Christian jackwagons trying to twist it into a religious ritual, when it is, and always has been, a CIVIL MATTER.
Never to destroy all flesh by a flood? Doesn't mean much once you realise that it might destroy all flesh by some other means. You have been duped by a conniving supernatural parasite. Lovely :-)
[Male and female created he them]
that sounds like Yoda
You guys are just so full of yourselves. If you are of the opinion that we are going to hell then leave us be.
You guys don't adhere to the simplest, most primitive moral code there is: do unto others as you would like them to do unto you, something you should have learned as a child growing up.
Stop persecuting others in the name of your dear parasite. IT FUCKS PEOPLE OFF!
"Marriage is under attack. Only you can save it."
... So you're acknowledging, then, that your imaginary deity is powerless?
That's one ugly map.
If your God exists as you say he does, it becomes our job to be defiant towards him, anyway. No god worth worshiping is like the jackass you make him out to be.
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Hell is for people like us, who don't want to be tormented for an eternity in heaven by being forced to stay with people like you.
"Male and female created he them"
Um, yeah, good thing man invented grammar.
For the last time, you guys don't fucking own marriage!
Also, anyone else a little surprise by Iowa?
Marriage is under attack? Since when?! Even in "godless" Massachusetts, straight people can get married in Christian ceremonies without hassle.
When our State acts, it acts in our name: Any sins it condones are sins WE condone. When Government embraces homosexuality, it FORCES us to do so as well.
Basic misunderstanding of the democratic process right here. You can still be straight; you just can't deny gay people their rights. Besides, I can imagine that fifty years ago someone was using this faulty argument in favor of institutionalized racism. Anti-discrimination measures are good, and it's only bigots who oppose them.
Anyway, I'm quite glad that my state is in the "second-most-progressive" category. Thus, I can say with certainty that the states which allow gay marriage (or are close to allowing gay marriage) have not restricted the rights of straight people to marry other straight people. All that is going on is that gay people are allowed to marry who they want, just like straights are.
In a democracy it is possible for the majority to vote to deny rights to a minority. That is why our country is not a pure democracy but has a series of checks and balances to provide, as much as possible, equal rights to all. Is it perfect? No. Nor has anybody claimed that it is.
For heaven's sake America, do something about these idiots. We are steadily getting the impression that all of you over there are in urgent need of psychiatric attention or euthanasia.
Please do something to prove that thesis is wrong.
@ Xotan
Well, there are two things we could do: Ideally herd them all into Texas and seal the border (making sure they have no nukes within their lands), setting up a "Lord of the Flies" with Jeebus scenario.
Or we could send them out to other countries. How many can we put your country down for?
Actually, I'm pretty proud that my home state is becoming 'defiant' in regard to your hateful agenda/belief system.
Love knows no gender here and that's a beautiful thing.
...You do realize it's possible to defy someone without hating them, right? Believe it or not, I can imagine a situation where a dystheist isn't maltheistic (they don't think God is inherently depraved, just that his omnipotence is doing rather nasty things to his sanity, and everything would be better off once he's convinced to abjure that omnipotence).
Anyway, try to remember that even if it were a sin, it'd be a very mild sin--merely venial, no way to be mortal--compared to the usual spawn of Wrath and Pride. I realize you think you can get away with assailing homosexuality because there's no way you can in turn be judged guilty of it, but there's no reason why you can't simultaneously guide those corrupted by Wrath, Avarice, et al. away from those maladies along with yourself, is there?
GODDAMMIT VIRGINIA, STOP MAKING ME ASHAMED TO HAVE TO LIVE HERE.
Also, am I the only one that sees these kind of fundies as the Borg? "Resistance is futile... you will be assimilated."
> The rainbow is the sign of God's covenant with the earth, never to destroy all flesh again by a flood.
Which obviously raises the question: why worry? Indeed, why get worked up about "defiance"? If God has promised that there shall be no further horrible global massacres of His doing, why are you worried? Shouldn't you trust that if people are acting wrong, then God should logically find some less violent solutions to the problem? You know, being a supposedly almighty being could suggest that He can also find such a solution, couldn't it?
Or is your God a backstabbing nitpicky bastard that kills half the planet and says "what are you complaining about? I said no floods, , this is a rain of hellfire ?" Why worship such an evil deity?
PS. I don't think I need to scroll down to see that people have probably already suggested that rainbows have rich symbolism elsewhere too.
If your Bible wasn't plain wrong, that verse would read:
Male, female, intersexed, Turner Syndrome, XXY, XYY, hromonaly affected, gay, straight, transexual, asexual, polyamourous, lesbian and bisexual created He them.
This map makes me proud to be an Iowan. Behold how we float in the sea of intolerance. Okay, so it's actually thanks to the Iowa supreme court that the state allows homosexual marriage and if the proposal had been voted on, it would probably have failed. Man, now I'm not so proud to be an Iowan. I guess that's FSTDT for me for every comical entry, there's a disturbing one.
Awww yeah! CT is royal purple, and NY is two steps away from joining! Wait, Vermont too?
Damn, now where should I live?
So.... You were so upset at the Gay Pride use of the rainbow that you settled on baby shit brown for your control-freak colors?
Where was your outrage at the Rainbow Lunch school lunch program of the '70's? It was terrible I tell you, just terrible!
Cute Ark by the way, is that from the wallpaper you were brainwashed with as a child?
(to the tune of "Gilligan's Island")
Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale,
A tale that's full of shit....
I'm too busy preventing forest fires. I guess marriage is just f-ing screwed.
Okay, I'm out.
@TheJebusFire
Should we ban divorce too?
If you bring that up, and they actually address the issue instead of either ignoring you or accusing you of persecuting them, they'll rev up the spin machine and say that those verses need to be interpreted correctly (effectively meaning rewritten from scratch). Of course, the verses that they like never need to be interpreted at all.
Why must my fellow Texans be so stupid? This map should be purple.
Also I like how there's a rainbow over the picture of Noah's Ark, and quotation talking about how the rainbow is God's sign that he will never flood the earth again. So shouldn't more homosexuals be a good thing...?
I don't understand. Why does heterosexual marriage need to be protected by discrimination against gays? Gay couples want equal rights in law, which in a modern democracy shouldn't be an issue: whether their unions should be called marriages or not is partly a question of semantics. I'd prefer that they were called something else if only to avoid confusion, and in the UK where I live they are: civil partnerships, but we've dealt with equality issue and most of us are quite happy about this. I think there are cultural pressures against which marriage DOES need to be protected, for example the unrealistic expectations raised in couples by pornography (to which it would appear that a great many Americans, and Britons too, are addicted.... but we don't talk about that because it doesn't fit the gay-bashing agenda. And we enjoy it too much.)
The UK government, in one sense of the curious phrase, "embraces homosexuality". It acknowledges that gay people exist, that they have relationships, and has decided that if they want to mark those relationships as permanent and significant they should have the means to do so, just like straight couples do. You could even say that it forces that view on the rest of its citizens; but only in the way that it also forces on its citizens the view that old people, disabled people, left-handed people, people from ethnic minorities, etc. have the same rights as anyone else. It doesn't oblige anyone who isn't left handed to become so or, because it welcomes immigrants from India, requires the rest of us to be Indian.
It's interesting that, even as a heterosexual, the "defiant" states are the ones I would most want to live in, and the "least defiant" ones are generally shitholes
@ Xotan:
Did you even read my post? We ARE doing something about it.
@ 1249582:
Remember, this is the same country that allowed such an unacceptable disparity in freedom for nearly one hundred years, due to geography and economy. (Remember slavery?) America's history means that advances in civil rights always occur on a state-by-state basis only. I don't like it, but that's just the way it is.
@ Percy Q. Shunn
Whoever that pink framed "macho" cowboy is, I wouldn't be surprised if he has a girly name like, oh, I don't know, maybe something like Alice, or Marion!
Hahahahaha
;-)
I'm so sick of you people's self-righteous bullshit. Yeah, our government is "of, by, and for the people", which you seem to forget includes gay people.
This entire sin thing is ridiculous. This is why religion is bullshit and holds us back. You call anything you don't like a sin, and even when REAL people are involved and are being hurt, you don't care because you think something you can't even see is more important than those you can see. Lots of countries have gay marriage and they're doing just fine, so stop with the "god is going to punish us" bullshit.
In short, go fuck yourself, Robert.
Nice try, but what about this one?
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EDIT: I wonder what it says that the states with homosexuals who are "least defiant" are much more likely to allow marriage between first cousins.
@Kevin Klawitter
Nothing much...
I'm thoroughly insulted. Why isn't Nevada the darkest shade of purple? Sure, we may not have gay marriage yet, but our biggest city is the modern-day incarnation of Sodom and Gomorrah. Maybe it's all the Mormons balancing it out.
So much irony in this one, but found this subtle one hilarious:-
His campaign address is at 6368 Coventry Way #122, Clinton, MD 20735.
Well, I live in the town this street is named after, Coventry, UK, and we're one of the most rainbow towns in this country. There's even a pub which regularly has table dancers of both sexes, to cater to all combinations of legal sexuality ;)
"God created man in his own image..."
So, by your logic, since gay people exist, God created them too. (Since the babble says that without god, man is nothing)
And also by your logic, if man is created in God's image... God is gay.
Not even his, ehem, graphics show his point, whatever it means. By the way, wanna protect marry?, don't divorce, whomever you marry and marry YOU a person of the opposite sex.
Fundies, if your god is all that, and he wanted to protect marriage, why doesn't he just do it? Why do you have to do all the work and your god gets all the credit?
I'm ashamed to say I used to agree with them.
Why can't people just live and let live?
I live on the wrong side of the spectrum too. Thankfully, it is very close to the middle.
@Canama: The evil queerosexuals are <b>stealing</b> the holy rainbow!
@Kevin Klawitter: Not sure it means anything. After all, California (represent!) and that purple New England cluster also allow it.
{The rainbow is the sign of God's covenant never to destroy the earth with a flood }
Yes and I'm sure we all take great comfort in knowing that with all the plagues, disasters and torments God will use to destroy earth as stated in Revelation, water won't be one of them. Oh wait, I forgot, God isn't bound by moral law so he can break your moral "absolutes" of murder and lying and still be considered just. Great, meaningful covenant and great meaningful "symbol" which isn't really a symbol at all, merely a product of rainfall and light refraction. You come up with the legal copyright documents on a natural phenomenon and we're in business, eh, not really.
Anyway, the graph could use more color. There isn't enough cool violet colors to balance out the warm orange colors. Too bad my state has to be tan.
You forgot the verse after that "Greatest Commandment"; The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."
Gay people are also your neighbors, Bobby.
I don't feel that my marriage is the least bit threatened by more (consenting adult) people being allowed to marry.
Oh, and marriage predates your God's Fiat Lux-moment, probably by tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands of years.
"Marriage is under attack."
Right, you just keep telling yourself that, while most people don't give a shit. I think a lot of people my age (20s/30s) would love to vote for marriage "attack" (i.e., equality) in their state if it came up. Hell, I'd love to do it, just to piss holier-than-though smug pricks like you off...And also, ya'know, because I'm for equality. One of my friends in my medical assisting class is smart, kind and helpful, and wants to get married to his long-time partner. But he can't-because he's gay. He also doesn't want to move across the country or out of it so he can have his marriage, so he'll stay here and try to get marriage equality (i.e., Washington state.) I'm happy for them. So, I'm happy to tell you:
You are still losing. One day anti-equality marraige activists will be looked at the same way as those who endorsed feudalism.
@ Mr. John_in_Oz
I love your critique, but I feel like you missed one: demisexual . While I have a hard time feeling one-night-stand-sex with strangers would be for me, I don't condemn it for other people. If that person will make you happy, be happy! : )
Just use protection, okay? (With any partner, one-night-stand or not.) I don't want you guys getting sick!
If he had an ounce of reading comprehension, Bobby here would understand that "Male and Female he created them" only means that his supposed creator made humanity a two-gendered species: it says fuck-all about sexual orientation... :P
But then, Bobby also completely missed the very obvious "by a flood" loophole, so obviously reading comprehension isn't his strong suit.
@Tolpuddle Martyr:
"A side note: Aside from looking unseaworthy the picture of the Ark looks like it should have a My Little Pony in the foreground."
Quoted For Fucking Truthiness!!! :P
No offense, but, I thought the 'greatest commandment' was 'Love others as you love yourself.'
I mean, I'm an Atheist, I love the concept of religion and mythology, and I know this shit better. -_-
Seriously.
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We're still here.
Destroyed argument, much?
PROTIP: The 'Least Defiant' part? That's the Isle of Man, notoriously anti-gay (until forced to remove such legislation by the EU in recent years, homosexuality was punishable by birching). It is of the most supreme irony, that the pronunciation of 'Isle of Man' sounds exactly like 'I Love Man'.
WooHoo!
My home state is the second most defiant. I love being in a state that pisses of the fundies.
IA looks weird, being dark purple smack in the middle of all that ugly orange.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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