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Sheik Hilali, Australia's Mufti since 1989, was quoted as saying: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the back yard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem."

He added: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab [Islamic headscarf], no problem would have occurred."

The Egyptian-born Sheik also appeared to refer to a series of notorious gang rapes in Sydney by a group of Lebanese Muslim men who received long prison sentences. He said there were women who "sway suggestively", and wore make-up and immodest dress, "and then you get a judge without mercy [who] gives you 65 years... but the problem all began with who?"

Sheik Taj Aldin al-Hilali, The Independent 113 Comments [7/21/2010 9:30:10 AM]
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Doctor Whom

So in your world, women are just meat, and men have no more obligation to exercise self-control when they see women than cats do when you leave meat out. Well, aren't you just a ray of sunshine.

7/21/2010 9:34:54 AM

Creedence Leonore Gielgud

"but the problem all began with who?"

Abraham. Or at least whoever invented him.

7/21/2010 9:38:56 AM


What a horrible mindset. Women =/= meat. Meat doesn't have feelings or rights. Cats don't know eating meat is wrong, but raping women IS. The laws of Sydney forbid it. Men are not mere animals, either. They're smarter than that. They know better. *You* are a terrible person, and you fail.

7/21/2010 9:40:12 AM


BAD analogy. Meat is food for cats, an absolute necessity, and it's easier to chow down on than mobile mice. When, exactly, did intercourse become a form of sustenance? Hunger and (power)lust are pretty dissimilar.

7/21/2010 9:42:30 AM


Is this supposed to mean that he considers all men to be mindless animals, or just Muslim men?

Just for kicks, let's do a little extrapolation of the rhetorical thrust employed by Mr. Righteous over there:

"If you had not walked on the street with money and no obvious weapons, no mugging and stabbing would have occurred."

"If you let a person get old and senile, and then an unscrupulous person preys on their weakness for the sake of fraud, whose fault is it? The existence of the old person is the problem."

"If the Palestinians had simply surrendered the territory that Israel wanted in the first place, no problem would have occurred."

Man, am I gonna have a zinger for the next cop that pulls me over!

7/21/2010 9:45:07 AM


"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street..."

What idiot would refer to a human being as uncovered meat?

Let me outline it for you, sheik-boy. You are the problem.

7/21/2010 9:46:03 AM


This is unbelievably insulting to women

and men

and cats.

7/21/2010 9:46:27 AM

Mister Spak

The problem began with Mohammed.

7/21/2010 9:47:12 AM

Shanya Almafeta

I think you owe men AND cats an apology. They have better self-control than that.

Also... In her home and in her room? In your point of view, a woman is at fault for her own rape if she so much as goes into the living room?

7/21/2010 9:50:01 AM


Sheik Taj Aldin al-Hilali can suck it.

7/21/2010 9:50:47 AM


So, if I go off my diet and eat that entire cheesecake, it's the cheesecake's fault?

The fault is men who aren't bright enough to control the zippers on their pants.

7/21/2010 9:52:17 AM


You should be unemployed. You are not performing any useful service for mankind. You're slowing down progress for everyone. You would be more useful unemployed.

7/21/2010 9:56:26 AM


What a worthless piece of filth. Ever heard of self control, you sack of shit? I think forcing women to cover themselves speaks volumes about muslim men and not in a good way.

7/21/2010 9:56:41 AM


If you take a dog outside on the street, or in the garden, or in the park, or in the back yard without a leash, and the dog goes on the attack.... whose fault is it, the dog's or the lack of a leash?

7/21/2010 10:08:21 AM


Sadly, in many ways this is not shocking. You see the same blame the victim mentality in America, and not only among fundies. Change a few of the words, the sentiment is still the same, and it's a nearly mainstream POV.

I'm left wondering why is the burden on women to behave in a way that does not provoke men, and not on men to be civilized? What behavior exactly would satisfy all the asshole nutbags that the woman wasn't asking for it? Why is the mugging victim never asking for it?

7/21/2010 10:10:18 AM


Yeah, good argument. The next racist that bashes a Muslim can use it as a defence in court.

You muslims have a lot to answer for. Its your fault they have all that Isamaphobia and hate crime in Australia. If you just stayed quietly indoors and didn't wander about peacefully practicing your religion, building mosques etc. none of that would happen. And don't get me started on those Indian students, the irresponsible fuckers.

7/21/2010 10:12:31 AM

Yama the Space Fish

Muftis suck. Abolish the position. Then throw rocks at them.

7/21/2010 10:20:52 AM


I kinda feel sorry for these guys, because essentially what he's saying is:

"We must create a societal construct that reduces women to the status of property, because having women who are free as individuals to dress, work and engage in any kind of relationship or religion they choose, means that we are now reliant upon our personalities to get laid. And it's been quite the dry spell...."

7/21/2010 10:21:59 AM


I once read an anectode (can't remember where so don't say citation needed) that in communist East Germany, young people including teenage girls would go totally naked on the beach, and nothing bad usually happened because they were never indoctrinated with it being wrong to be naked. They were all acclimatised to accepting the human body as what it is.

Religion causes the hangups that require the body to be covered up. So in Muslim countries eventually women will not be allowed out at all, and the mere suggestion of a woman being present in a building will be enough to cause insatiable excitement. But Islamic nutcases will never see the sense in demystification, will they?

7/21/2010 10:22:32 AM

And Meat.

7/21/2010 10:24:48 AM

Reverend Jeremiah


"Hey...she was asking for it!"

7/21/2010 10:26:14 AM


Since you equate humans to a piece of meat, you won't feel bad about us feeding the sharks using you. But then again, your so rotten it'd likely poison the poor sharks.

7/21/2010 10:29:43 AM

The Village Heathen

The problem began with inbred fuckwits like you.

7/21/2010 10:30:47 AM

Doubting Thomas

I would hope that Muslim men would have more control over themselves than a bunch of hungry cats. But yes, the women=meat analogy is telling.

7/21/2010 10:48:53 AM


but the problem all began with who?

With you!
With your stupid barbaric medieval crazy retarded religion. Any other questions?

7/21/2010 10:53:06 AM

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