"science flies people to the moon, religion flies people into buildings."
Atheists (or at least members of secular anti-religious political groups) have, in fact, carried out a disproportionate number of suicide bombings throughout modern history.
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And badgers are well-known to carry out a disproportionate number of donkey rapes.
See? I can make stuff up, too!
Atheists (or at least members of secular anti-religious political groups)
Uh, "atheists" and "anti-religious political groups" are two different things, and both are radically different from "science." (Also, citation needed)
Try again.
Let me fix that for you.
RELIGIOUS NUTS have, in fact, carried out a disproportionate number of (actually, ALL) suicide bombings throughout all of history.
So atheists are carrying out suicide bombings for the greater glory of nothing, in an effort to be welcomed into the gates of no where.
Even for a Moonbattery post, this one is really stupid!
"Atheists (or at least members of secular anti-religious political groups) have, in fact, carried out a disproportionate number of suicide bombings throughout modern history."
None of which you can recall off hand, nor do you have time at the moment to research the details to support this claim.
How surprising coming from Moonbattery.
if it isn't cited well enough to pass in a paper in english 101, then it isn't cited well enough for me to believe.
(even if this d-bag were to provide one example of an atheist doing a suicide bombing in the name of atheism, i'd let him win this argument. the fact stands, however, that said d-bag will never be able to provide such proof)
ahh, theist and your simple (and by simple i mean completely opposite of intelligent) ways...
This is only true if your definition of 'Atheists' is 'Everyone who does not subscribe to the same exact interpretation of the Bible that I do'.
I've racked my brain trying to think of any 'Atheists', (using the definition commonly subscribed to by the 5,999,999,999 thinking members of the human race), that have engaged in suicide attacks. Besides a group of about 30 fanatical Nazi pilots who attempted to Kamakaze into the bridges over the River Elbe during April 1945, I can't think of any. That doesn't mean that there haven't been any at all, but, when compared to the numbers representing religious positions, (Islamic, Hindu, Japanese God-Emperor Worship etc), I doubt if it even registers on a chart.
Actually, he has something of a point. The Tamil Tigers (who, iirc, are communists, and so presumably atheistic) have used suicide bombers as weapons for a long time; if Wiki is to be trusted, they're the ones that gave the various Muslim terror organizations inspiration and training in their use.
So, yeah, given that atheists are something well below 5% of the global population, having this one group pull off half of the suicide bombings performed between 1980 and 2000 (again according to the Wiki) is disproportionate. Though, if it helps, the Muslims are certainly winning the competition this decade..
@mad the swine.
From Wiki, (yeah I know, but still)
"The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam is a secular organization, regarding the religious beliefs of its members as private matters"
No mention of Communism anywhere that I can find.
Evidence?
Thought not.
Liar.
I love this site.
No where else will people, while mocking the fundie who made the statement, actually try and do the research to try and find that miniscule portion of secular suicide bommers that would support the fundies statement, even though they just made it up and pulled thier statement from thier ass.
I guess effort and knowledge wins once again.
Yeah, those pesky terrorists blowing themselves up in the name of Richard Dawkins.
Yeah I know, terrible analogy as Richard Dawkins actually exists.
"Atheists (or at least members of secular anti-religious political groups) have, in fact, carried out a disproportionate number of suicide bombings throughout modern history."
Is it opposite day again already?
I typed "atheist suicide bomber" into Google, the closest I got was about the Tamil Tigers on GodWeb, though he then tries to link Hitler to atheism, the others were from atheist sites like JREF or RichardDawkins.net so I discounted them. I then typed "Tamil Tigers atheist" into google, got almost the same results.
While I predict there is at least one atheist suicide bomber in history, I know that the majority are those who practice a faith (whether it's Christianity or Muslim.)
@mad the swine and rubber chicken
The Tamil tigers are actually muslim. When i went round the temple of the tooth in Kandi, Sri Lanka, the Buddhist monk guide who took us round told us how an attempted suicide bombing on the temple in 1998, was preceeded by shouts of Allah is great, and death to the infidel (in Singalese).
This is also further backed up as sri lanka is the worlds 3rd most religious country with the faiths being distributed as Buddhist (70%)Hindi(15%)and Christianity and Islam both at 7.5%
but back to the post, its amazing what bs the retards at arsebattery are capable of. i was wondering.....
in this dawkins ceremonial robe, does my bomb look big in this??
And as others have indicated, though some of the Tamil Tigers may be atheist, they were fighting for a very political cause - not killing themselves for any athirst brownie points in the non-afterlife.
For the people arguing over the Tamil Tigers, the organisation is (well was, its now defunct really) secular, the religion of any given member of it, or the people they claim to fight for, is a different matter entirely.
The problem here is this asshole is automatically equating communist revolutionaries with atheists and is saying they committed their acts in the name of atheism. Fact is they killed in the name of their ideology, in this case communism. No one, that I am aware of, has ever killed strictly in the name of atheism.
EDIT: Others before me have made the same point. I will simply add that you'd have to go a long way to find a more misinformed bunch of morons than those on Moonbattery . Well, maybe Free Republic or Rapture Ready .
I'll back Nihlum on this, the LTTE (Tamil Tigers) are ostensibly a secular organisation. But they are not an anti-religious one, so would not count towards Smorfia48's "disproportionate" number of suicide bombings.
Also, Smorfia48's reply is a non sequiur, the original comparison was between science and religion, his rebuttal was to accuse atheism of being worse still. Whether this was true or not (almost certainly the later) is irrelevant as science is not atheism.
"Atheists (or at least members of secular anti-religious political groups) have, in fact, carried out a disproportionate number of suicide bombings throughout modern history."
Indeed. Just last week, Richard Dawkins and yours truly stood outside Westminster Abbey in London, both of us wearing waistcoats packed with Semtex & nails, and we shouted in unison before pressing our detonator buttons:
Nothing Akhbar!
Afterwards, we went to a nearby cafe and had a very civilised pot of tea, satisfied that we'd made our point that religion is very silly indeed.
Well, Ted Kaczinsky is the only (AFAIK) atheist terrorist I can remember (also known as the Una Bomber) and he didn´t commit his terrorist acts (sending letter bombs) because of atheist convictions, but rather because he was mad and, well, some kind of technology hater.
@Eden
I was trying to think of one domestic terrorist that wasn't religiously motivated and the Unabomber came to mind.
I wasn't aware that Ted Kaczinsky was an atheist, but you correctly state that his motivations were anti-technology, not anti-religion. After all, he sent his mail bombs to university offices, not to churches.
And it doesn't really count anyway since he wasn't a suicide bomber, which makes Smurfia's comment that much more bizarre.
Examples please
Oh, and if you could come up with 10 we're nothing near yours or other religions atrocities and wanton murders.
"secular anti-religious political groups"
that's so cute. Just name one
name 2.
fuck that name 1.
rofl they were referring to Vietcong suicide bombers during the Vietnam War.
since as everyone knows, the Vietnam war was all about fighting for Atheism.
This one is misleading. Smorfia was only trying to argue that atheists can be violent too, not that atheists are more violent than rwligious people. Nothing to see here really, except for a few "Hitler was an atheist" arguements, but we know how to deal with that one.
science flies people to the moon, religion flies people into building...
Correction
science flies people to the moon, Science flies people into building
But I know what your saying? a better choice would have been it motivates.
I'm also Fairly Certain the kind person who this was refering to their play mobile toys when they say Modern History.
"This one is an Atheist, and he blue himself up" Booya
Citation seriously fucking needed. Now, please!
We have no-one to die for, stupid. This is all the life we will have.
Why throw it away on a silly dispute about who's Sky-daddy is the meanest?
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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