I seem to recall the city of Sodom had a long debate about homosexuality. Six people voted against embracing it— Lot, his wife, two daughters and two holy men visiting them. The rest of the town voted for it. God did not respect the decision of the overwhelming majority, did he?
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Angels don't count and the rest were women and didn't count as people so your god was only siding with one douchebag who claimed to be righteous and then told people to rape his daughters.
If you want people to take you seriously, stop telling that stupid story.
He's right, I looked it up:
And lo, the exit polling conducted by the Gomorrah Times-Register did show that Proposition 23, A Proposal to Legalize Buttsecks, would win handily in the midterms. The family of Lot did weep and gnash their teeth, for talk radio had not been invented yet and they had no outlet for their bigoted frustration. Imaginations 19:7
So your god burns to death those who don't vote the way that he wants? And you *worship* him?
Also, [citation needed], there's no proof outside of bedtime stories that actually happened, &c.
Ezekiel 16:49:
In other words, your god destroyed Sodom because of its wealth, laziness, and refusal to help the poor. Read your Bible, jerk.
"God did not respect the decision of the overwhelming majority, did he?"
Wow, God isn't democratic... who would have known? One more strike against him.
So leaving aside the fact that rape was used a way to humiliate, not sex for sex sake, that the sin of Sodom is pride, that Lot was wiling to let his daughters be raped instead of the MALE guests (why let the male be raped and humiliated when you have some woman to throw at the crowd instead), your saying that God smites people who vote against the way he does?
Then God must like abortion (legal in all 50 states technically), same sex marriage in six states (as of now), and a bunch of other crap that you guys claim is destroying America. Or did I miss the fireballs raining from the sky and pillars of salt upon the ground?
Don't abuse words like "debate." For people like you, such matters as sexual morality are all about obedience and submission to shallow dogma, baseless tradition and inscrutable authority - you have never cared for discussion or inquiry.
Lot's daughters were against homosexuality, but yet had no problem raping their own father whilst he slept so that they could have children?
Interesting morality in the Bible. Me thinks Vigilanteman should give it a read sometime.
I haven't read the other responses, but I'm fairly certain there was no vote about such matters. I do not recall that being in the Wholly Babble. What I recall was the all-merciful and wonderful gawd telling a select few to leave before raining death and destruction - smiting all the rest of the people without warning or warrant. Lovely story, really.
It says, IN YOUR OWN HOLY BOOK, that the sins of Sodom were inhospitality, neglect of the poor, and gluttony.
Yeah, but the minority was in favor of gang rape, incest, and rape by getting the victim drunk.
Not exactly the high point of morality, huh?
I don't recall anything about the people of Sodom debating homosexuality in the Bible.
yet again, fundies fail not only at reality, but at the Bible.
So you have a Bible? Then read it. The sin of Sodom was lack of hospitality to strangers.
If Sodom was totally gay, why would Lot offer the men his daughters?
Their hospitality consisted in lack of care and seeking to sexually humiliate the angels. But this anal rape was a common thing in those times when an army had been defeated, the victors, like as not, would bugger the losers - and maybe castrate them, to show how powerless they were in the eyes of the victors.
God did not respect the decision of the overwhelming majority, did he?
By your argument, this country can't be ruled by Christian values simply because of Christian majority.
Didn't think of that, did you?
Lot, his wife, two daughters and two holy men visiting them. Three of whom seemed to have an issue with throwing the daughters to the mob. I'm pretty sure the daughters were against it (or maybe not, I mean they did screw their father) and nobody knows what the wife thought about it.
Yeah, and later on it goes on to say Lot and his two daughters had another election where they decided that incest after lots of booze was A - OK.
I seem to recall the vote being two ayes and...well a no recorded vote - it seems impertinent to call Lot's passing out in a boozy haze an "abstention"!
You fail, I'm afraid.
Jesus made it quite clear that angels are neither male nor female. So even if the 'men' (i.e. the people, men AND women) of Sodom had succeeded in gang raping the visitors, the story would still have nothing to do with whether or not homosexuality is good or bad. That's not what the story is about
If Lot was the most shining example of morality in Sodom, then I can't imagine how fucked up the other inhabitants were.
That guy receives two angels. Some guys want to rape the angels... And Lot's answer is "Nono, please, don't rape my angels! Please. By all means, rape my virgin daughters instead!"
Whatever.
Um, do you realize that the angels visited the city *after* god hat made up his mind about destroying it? So even if there had been such a debate, it would have had no effect whatsoever on god's verdict.
well, if you'd read your damned book insead of cherry picking quotes, you'd see why the city was destroyed.
but no, it's easier for you to point and say "Look what the faggots did"...dumbass
Oh yeah, Sodom totally had Proposition 801- the bill that would legalize teh buttsecks. 99% of the citizens voted for it, and God didn't like democracy, so he fried everyone.
Makes perfect sense.
"I seem to recall the city of Sodom had a long debate about homosexuality. Six people voted against embracing it Lot, his wife, two daughters and two holy men visiting them. The rest of the town voted for it. God did not respect the decision of the overwhelming majority, did he?"
And if Onan was amongst the multitudes of people who discussed this issue, would it be a mass debate ?
...I'll get my coat.
Fundie Beliefs #24 - Sodom and Gomorrah
There were these two cities, Sodom and Gomorrah, which were filled to the brim with sodomists (a). Some angels stopped at the house of a guy named Lot and all the guys in town gathered round to have sex with the angels (b). But Lot wouldn’t let them; and being a good and righteous man in the eyes of God, he told them to gang-rape his virgin daughters instead. But since they were a bunch of limp-wrists, they said "Yuck! They’re girls!" So the angels turned them blind (c) and they went away. God decided to destroy the cities because God Hates Fags (d) . The angels told Lot and his family they could leave first, but they couldn’t look back. Mrs. Lot did, though, and got turned into a pillar of salt (e). Although Lot was good and righteous, he got stinking, staggering, shitfaced drunk and collapsed in a stupor. While he was blotto, he had sex with his virgin daughters and got them pregnant. This was OK by God, since, being a red-blooded male Himself, He understands that guys do that kind of stuff when they’re drunk.
Footnotes:
(a) Fundie-speak for homosexual males
It wasn't a debate. It wasn't a vote. And as I recall, Lot was will to throw said daughters out to the rapists, and they were pretty much willing to accept until the "holy men" said "LOT WTF ARE YOU DOING" and stopped him. The men of Sodom didn't specifically want to rape guys. They just wanted to rape SOMETHING.
In case you missed it, dipshit, home come God didn't strike down the antichrist - George W. Bush - in his presidency? That miserable asshole brought more suffering to the American people than almost any other president.
also, why would god go to the trouble of blowing up a meteor above a city (which is the current theory of what inspired the story of sodom and gommorrah, there is even an ancient astronmical observation that shows a meteor in the sky), instead of just making the meteor hit the town?
When teh gheys amass at your door demanding you let them have knowledge of your guests or there will be violence...that day I will stand with you.
Assuming you offer them your daughters first. Holy fark, there's like nobody in the right during that entire tale except Lot's wife, punished for being wistful.
Haha, and then Lot's daughters got him drunk and raped him. Man, they sure were morally sound, Lot and his family.
How about you read your Bible, and then get back to us.
Edit: EvoPagan: God was angry that the churches hadn't done enough to stop it, so he killed them and left the gay areas untouched in a sort of in-your-face thing :P
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