[After looking at a Homo erectus skull and skeleton]
It doesn't look apelike at all. There are many explanations for how homo erectus' could have some of those traits...take brow ridges. As a YEC, I believe that the world's earliest humans indeed lived to be hundreds of years old....this belief is not only stated in the Bible -- a historical document -- but also passed down through generations of American Indians and even Europeans. So the point is that since homo erectus was probably a long-lived person, he/she probably matured and developed much slower than modern humans do. In this way, his bones were probably softer for a longer period of time because, as you know, kids' bones are softer and more pliable than adult bones are. If it was the case, then, that homo erectus was a hunter, then his diet probably consisted mostly of meats.....chewing meat requires more jaw strength and probably puts more pressure on the brow plates, causing them to enlarge due to this need for extra strength and support...and having soft bones for longer periods of time, homo erectus probably just developed this anatomical feature due to diet.
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@Thinking Allowed
Yeah, my reaction too.
I certainly agree that Biblical literalism is stupid, but the 4-legged insects argument isn't a particularly good one:
"All the winged insects that walk on all fours are detestable to you. Yet these you may eat among all the winged insects which walk on all fours: those which have above their feet jointed legs with which to jump on the earth" (Lev. 11:20-21, NASV). I don't see anything about insects having only 4 legs - merely that those insects which walk on 4 legs (mantises, dragonflies) can't be eaten - and that "locusts" etc don't count (because?) in addition to the 4 legs they use to walk, they also have 2 jumping legs.
I get the point, I'm just not sure this is 100% accurate...
"If it was the case, then, that homo erectus was a hunter, then his diet probably consisted mostly of meats..."
But I thought there was meant to be no death before the fall?
" As a YEC, I believe that the world's earliest humans indeed lived to be hundreds of years old"
As a YEC, you are a fucking retard - and you proceeded to prove it with the rest of the post.
@Jimlad: one of the "best" statements I've seen of the "no death before the fall" idea was that the second law of thermodynamics didn't come into effect until then. The only way this can be interpreted in a way that even remotely makes sense (the second law being a mathematical definition of the concepts of temperature and entropy, rather than an observed result) would be to stipulate that no heat was transferred. Which would mean that not only would the Sun not warm the Earth, there'd be no chemical reactions of any kind and so no life. Hilariously, a statement which they intend to mean that there was no death before the fall ends up meaning the exact opposite.
"more jaw strength and probably puts more pressure on the brow plates,"
I wasn't aware that the jaw muscles connected to the brow ridge.
They seem like they're in totally different places.
"....this belief is not only stated in the Bible -- a historical document -- but also passed down through generations of American Indians and even Europeans."
passed down through generations of AMERICAN INDIANS?!?!?!?!?!? excuse me while i change out of these pants i just shit in.....
Well, as a skeptic I believe that beliefs have no bearing on wether they are real or not.. so, instead of telling us what you believe, please show some MAJOR evidence to back up your claims or just STFU.
..LOL, You said "Homo Erectus"..LOL...SuperSport is gay...lol..
So it IS acceptable to you that human beings with limited technology and almost no medicine to speak of lived several times longer than modern humans with a deep understanding of physiology down to a sub-cellular level.
But it's unbelievable to your thinking that a skull with traits common to two kinds of hominids separated by time might possibly be some sort of intermediate step?
Ok, Dr. Terrific! Send me a postcard when you get to Waki Luni isle!
What's funny is that, if he were to get rid of all the god nonsense, he'd actually have a decent understanding of how evolutionary pressures effect a trait. Not in one single organism, of course, but that'd be easily corrected if he stopped thinking MAGIC MAN DONE IT.
Yet that wouldn't cause the jaw to deform even a little bit?
Come on, be a SuperSport...TalkRational.
To play devil's advocate here, we need to stop using the 4 legged insect thing. It's far too easily explained away with linguistics. We are, after all, talking about a translation from ancient Hebrew to English. I doubt ancient Hebrew defined "insect" quite as strictly as we do now, plus "on all fours" could be seen as an idiom, and not meant to be taken quite so literally. There are far better and less easily defended instances of inaccuracies in the Bible.
@ BufferickVonHellbags Actually, I've seen christians use some of the native american tales of giants and ancestors to "prove" their bible before. It isn't all that uncommon... though his use here is... um... interesting. There are anthropologists that think the natives here may have even co-existed, but it is not a popular theory and needs more work. Interesting read though, but I'm just an engineer and don't know much about such things.
"As a YEC, I believe that the world's earliest humans indeed lived to be hundreds of years old"
I believe I've got millions of dollars in the bank.
Sadly it doesn't make it so.
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