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I can't imagine how you can believe we came from monkeys. doesn't it just make more sense to just say we adapted? Just because we changed our environment doesn't mean we automativally can mutate ourselves and just "evolve." When people get mutetions, they suffer from various illnesses. Can you name me ONE mutation that is positive? Just one. That's all I'm asking for. You can't, simply because there is none. We are made in the image of God, our heavenly father, so when genes in our body changes it goes from good to something bad.

How can you explain how things so complex such as the eye can just have "evolved"? you can't. The fact is, evolution takes faith. How you can believe in something that is so absurd with no evidence is beyond me. Do you realize the probability of us getting here by "chance" is so miniscule that it takes more faith for you to believe in evolution than it takes to believe in unicorns.

[And a little later...]

Genetics? Of course we share similar genes with animals, WE CAME FROM THE SAME GOD! duh! dumb athiests...

[Note: At round three of the debate, "Everseeingeye" forfeited.]

Everseeingeye, Debate.Com 35 Comments [11/14/2008 3:26:31 PM]
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Dan Onymous

I can name one positive mutation right now. Red hair. On women, at least.

11/14/2008 3:31:37 PM

CaseAgainstFaith

AGREED Dan!

11/14/2008 3:32:17 PM

inmate22841

Sickle-cell disease

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sickle-cell_disease

11/14/2008 3:34:35 PM



The opponent stays rational even though this debater refuses to even make a point... admirable.

11/14/2008 3:38:09 PM

Eric the Blue

Can you name me ONE mutation that is positive?

Opposable thumbs

11/14/2008 3:42:59 PM

Fek'lhr

That link is totally rad!

11/14/2008 3:45:30 PM

Mortok

Not the 'eye' argument again. How old is this?

11/14/2008 3:47:13 PM

Loser

"Can you name me ONE mutation that is positive?"

Some people have evolved an immunity to HIV, bacteria can mutate an immunity to antibiotics, the HIV is constantly mutating, and monkeys sometimes give birth to humenz.

11/14/2008 3:50:05 PM

JohnTheAtheist

I can definitely explaine how the eye evolved and, in fact, it evolved numerous times independently...and the human eye is nowhere near the best eye in the animal kingdom, it is kind of inside out. Interesting, don't you think?

Evolution does not take faith, it takes understanding. It is the ONLY theory every put forth that logically and reasonably explains how complexity arose from simplicity. Your answer, goddidit, does not explain where complexity came from at all! If god was able to create all this amazing complexity then god must be very very very complex. How did that complexity come about? Your answer must not contain anything magical....

11/14/2008 3:52:16 PM

Bored One-time Poster

If people like this are just going to ignore any evidence put in front of them, it's pretty pointless to argue with them.

Even Darwin came across the eye argument. If the best argument these guys can come up with has been refuted for that long, I'm amazed they still bother using it.

The "show me one beneficial mutation" thing is poor even in terms of creationist thinking.

11/14/2008 4:00:52 PM

Horsefeathers

"I can't imagine how you can believe we came from monkeys."

Neither can I. Now, apes on the other hand...

"doesn't it just make more sense to just say we adapted?"

That is, at its most basic, what is being said you nit.

"Just because we changed our environment doesn't mean we automativally can mutate ourselves and just "evolve.""

Actually, it does. It's called natural selection. However, we didn't "mutate ourselves". Why do you people insist it's some sort of conscious effort?

"When people get mutetions, they suffer from various illnesses."

Are blue eyes or blond hair "illnesses"? What exactly do you think causes such a thing if not mutations?

You, like everyone else, have around 150 mutations that you're carrying around. Most are completely harmless.

"Can you name me ONE mutation that is positive? Just one. That's all I'm asking for. You can't, simply because there is none."

In humans? Resistance to HIV or other diseases. Sickle Cell Anemia, while it does kill a good portion of people, is a beneficial mutation to those who have it and happen to live in an area where it's highly probable they'll contract malaria.

"We are made in the image of God, our heavenly father, so when genes in our body changes it goes from good to something bad."

Evidence, please.

No, your Wholly Babble is not evidence so don't even try that.

"How can you explain how things so complex such as the eye can just have "evolved"? you can't."

It's quite well understood how the eye evolved. Darwin, whom you're likely parroting a half-remembered quote mine of, actually spent the next nine or so pages (depending on which edition you happen to read) explaining just how an eye could have evolved. And he wasn't far off.

"The fact is, evolution takes faith."

Science doesn't deal with "faith". You either have evidence to back up your assertions or you're rightfully laughed at.

If you continue to do such idiocies they eventually revoke your white lab coat and kick you out on your ass. Most people then quickly begin writing pseudoscience trash and publishing it to sell to the uneducated masses. I hear it's quite lucrative, unfortunately.

"How you can believe in something that is so absurd with no evidence is beyond me."

How you can insinuate there is no evidence is absurd and entirely beyond belief.

"Do you realize the probability of us getting here by "chance" is so miniscule that it takes more faith for you to believe in evolution than it takes to believe in unicorns."

Chance, and its cousin "luck", had nothing to do with it. A series of fairly simple biochemical steps were taken which, to anyone with any knowledge of the subject, would appear to have been inevitable given the components of the early Earth.

"Genetics? Of course we share similar genes with animals, WE CAME FROM THE SAME GOD! duh! dumb athiests..."

Which explains what, exactly? You'd think if we're gods "special creation", or some such nonsense, that we'd be entirely unique. It appears though, that we're not. We look, for all intents and purposes, like modified primates. Why would your god go and reuse a template from a lower life form on the pinnacle of his creation?

11/14/2008 4:04:02 PM

NoAstronomer

I had a bad case of the mutetions once - fortunately modern anti-biotics work wonders!

11/14/2008 4:10:22 PM

Freboy

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/350/20/2096

Specifically:
A G to T mutation in the gene for LRP5 causes extremely high bone density. A person with a similar phenotype walked away from a car crash without a single fracture.

Next...

11/14/2008 4:11:55 PM

JDC1

Nobody ever said that we came from monkeys.
Darwin wrote that it is possible we share a common
ancestor with the apes.
There is evidence available that supports this.
Any public library would have that information.

11/14/2008 4:19:47 PM

a mind far far away

Evolution doesn't work that way, dumb fucking fundy.

11/14/2008 4:34:55 PM

aaa

Sigh...

11/14/2008 4:53:26 PM

Mister Spak

"Can you name me ONE mutation that is positive? Just one. That's all I'm asking for. You can't, simply because there is none. "

ONE: sickle cell anemia. You fail
TWO: cystic fibrosis. You fail again.
THREE: CCR5-D32 You fail AGAIN! It's a trifecta of fail.

11/14/2008 4:56:28 PM

Brain_In_A_Jar

I can name one positive mutation right now. Red hair. On women, at least.

Vehemently agreed!

11/14/2008 5:16:15 PM

RoyToy

Wow, I recommend checking out the link. Good read. Though I wish the fundy had seen it through to the end.

11/14/2008 5:17:37 PM

fudgethis

Wow, he got owned on that debate.

11/14/2008 5:18:20 PM

Bunny Boy

Of course! We evolved from GOD! Why didn't I think of that?!

11/14/2008 5:32:57 PM

Slayer

He was posting information from a personal website that was posting stuff from AiG... Is anyone shocked that he lost?

11/14/2008 6:09:13 PM

Godbuster

1% of Europe is immune to HIV due to a genetic mutations.

OOHHH, ouch... did that burn ?

11/14/2008 6:13:10 PM

anonymous

"Can you name me ONE mutation that is positive?"

Sorry, not a evolutionary biologist.

But as long as we're quizzing each other on arcane knowledge of what we believe in...

What does God taste like?

11/14/2008 6:22:36 PM

JewBoy

Wow, she is a very able debater. I wouldn't want to be her opponent. The fundy didn't stand a chance.

11/14/2008 6:39:23 PM

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