This is also why you see Christian missionaries helping people like this. But name a group of evolutionists that is willing to feed and help those in Sudan? Can't find one can you? They cannot do this if they truly believe evolution. Because these people are dying because they are not the fittest, and therefore cannot be naturally selected to survive. When in actuality, they die because those who believe evolution are to afraid to help. Afraid of what their peers might say, and that they may be catagorized along with Christians for even caring about what is considered a lower race. You won't see a subject like this even come up anywhere where evolutionists are gathered. In fact I can list comments from their forums where they actually poke fun at Christians for even going to the trouble of trying to help anyone who suffers like this. They make fun of the money we raise to help these people in their troubling times. Because they believe that this money should be spent on better things, like expeditions to find supposed new evidence to prove evolution. The theory in itself has become more sacret than human life. If not, then where is the help from evolutionists for Sudan?
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Seldom heard a greater bullshit.
But while we´re at it, we might point at the many christian groups that went to indonesia after the Tsunami and dispensed humanitarian goods only to people who were of christian faith (or allowed the missionries to convert them), withholding any humanitarian aid from people who didn´t want to become christians.
For the millionth time, believing in evolution is not the same as believing in your religion. People don't unite under the banner of scientific theories when they do charity work. But there are many rational people doing that type of work, including many who are also Christians.
Also for the millionth time, survival of the fittest is an observation about nature. We Humans have removed ourselves from that and regardless, it doesn't mean we suscribe to some idea of how survival of the fittest must be maintained at all costs. If I see someone in pain, I will try to help them no matter if this someone is a Bird, Dog, Deer, or Human.
Why can't they understand evolution is nothing more than a biological system, it's not a fucking idealology. Evolution has no bearing on any "evolutionist's" decisions on helping people.
Oh, and there are plenty of non-Christian charaties so STFU.
Why do these idiots insist on referring to 'evolutionists', like people who accept logical science are part of some religious sect? Are they incapable of conceiving of anyone not being part of a nutty religious group of one sort or another? Just because they are doesn't mean everyone else is in an opposing one.
And the rest is just, as usual, nothing but a mishmash of ignorance and lies. Sigh.
Are you fundies at YEC Christians? If you are not fakes I suggest you read the 9th commandment, you know, the one about LYING!!! Many CHRISTIANS believe in evolution. I have never ever met anyone who made fun of true charitable giving whether to a Christian charity or not. You people are lying creeps.
Let's see... about every single government in the Western World helps poor countries under a non-Christian banner. The UN does it. Doctors Without Borders does it. Danish UFF (uff.dk) does it. Dutch Humana (humana.nl) does it. Certainly tons more.
I think in total we have at least 1000 times more charity money coming from non-Christians than from Christians.
So... lying for Jebus or just not a big fan of knowing what the hell you are talking about, Issac? Take your pick.
But name a group of evolutionists that is willing to feed and help those in Sudan?
Possibly because we don't see the need to form a group, give ourselves a name, than trumpet our actions out to the world so that everyone can see how nice we are... which is what I see every time a group does that.
As far as I'm concerned, they're not doing it to help others, they're doing it to massage their own fucking egos at the expense of other peoples suffering.
Translation... we're there, we're just not jumping up and down screaming "Look at us, aren't we kind!"
@inmate22841:
Yes, it's funny that most American Christians seem to completely overlook that Jesus was pretty big on that socialism stuff. He wanted to share the wealth and have everyone live as equals - which is what socialism is all about.
- At the same time, the people who claim to love Jesus, are often the ones most opposed to socialism in any form.
Medicins sans Frontieres, UNICEF, UN, Red Cross, Red Crescent. Do I need to continue, these are just the big ones.
And don't try telling me that the red cross is a christian organisation just cos it's the red "cross". I think the Swiss would want a word with you about that.
@Gah - yes, they are incapable. also, since they don't know a damn thing about evolution, they don't realize that it's an area of study that encompasses many different fields of science. there aren't just plain ol' "evolutionists" working round the clock. the fields of biology, genetics, paleontology, etc., ect. all work towards refining and expanding what would fall under the category of evolution.
Let me get this through your head.
Evolution doesn't have ANYTHING to do with morality.
Nobody who believes it supports killing weak animals or people.
It's just how things work. NOT how they SHOULD work.
"They make fun of the money we raise to help these people in their troubling times. Because they believe that this money should be spent on better things, like expeditions to find supposed new evidence to prove evolution."
Citation needed.
This feeding of Africa is like a money pit. Although it saddens me to say so, since I was a child, 60 years ago, we were contributing our pennies to help. Since then vast volumes of cash and goods have gone into Africa, only to end up in the pockets of dictators. The total sum since the late 1940s must total more than enough to have made every individual in these aid countries wealthy in their own terms.
The other undesirable aspect of this so-called Aid, is that Africans become conditioned to relying on other to feed and bale them out. Why overthrow a dictator; why work your land; why get a job, when the West provides the soup.
Very reluctantly I have come to the conclusion that perhaps the only solution is to leave Africa to get on with its own destiny. I fear that this might mean the deaths of many, but how long can so many countries be supported without ever asserting themselves to develop and become economically and politically mature? As long as the money flows in and the leaders cream it off, leaving just a small amount for the masses: and as long as the masses feel they will be looked after, even if only at subsistence level, the same length of time will the present corrupt regimes survive. Western aid is actually conniving with corruption.
Isaac and all these christian aid societies are perpetuating a problem that gives them a 'good feeling'. The excellent travel writer, Paul Theroux, has some interesting things to say about this symbiotic relationship between corruption and aid.
So Isaac, stop preening yourself. You are part of the problem. You and your kind ultimately enable and support it.
There's such a thing as secular humanism. Medicins sans Frontieres is "an independent humanitarian medical aid agency committed to two objectives: providing medical aid wherever needed, regardless of race, religion, politics or sex and raising awareness of the plight of the people we help."
They are helping people without the ulterior motive of trying to win converts.
In addition to the secular charities that have been pointed out, there are Christian churches that interpret the Genesis creation accounts allegorically, but that still somehow manage to help the poor. I have yet to hear a Catholic or Episcopalian say, "The Genesis creation accounts are not literally true; therefore, the poor can just go die in a ditch."
The theory in itself has become more sacret than human life.
That's never happened to any religious dogma.
ever heard of the group invisible children? last time i checked, there are many evolutionists, myself included, who are a part of this. As for the rest of what you say, genocide doesn't quite count as natural selection. Jackass.
I'm sure there are secular groups working there. Evolution is, however, not a moral statement of any sort and so does not obligate its 'followers' to help or hinder anybody in particular.
And you're just doing it for the unsuspecting converts, so if they ever get on their feet, they'll already be caught up in Christianity.
@Xotan
I do agree with you that we're doing something wrong in Africa. However, I'm not sure if completely withdrawing our help is the best option. Maybe we need to do more direct investment in infrastructure and education? The whole give a man a fish/teach a man to fish... Maybe we're doing too much giving and not enough teaching.
I don't know though, I'll be honest, I'm not as knowledgeable as I should be in this area.
Aren't you confusing your own church with methodists and quakers...?
And Mongoose, I'm thinking of applying. How is the program?
name a group of evolutionists that is willing to feed and help those in Sudan?
Doctors without borders?
Buddhist missionary groups?
UNICEF
Direct Relief International
Amnesty International
Those are only the ones that come to the top of my head. I'm sure there's many more.
Edit:
I forgot to mention the Catholic Church, although I'm pretty sure they cause more trouble than its worth. Also the fact that drug companies seem to consider Africa a giant continent of human lab rats.
Actually, pushing natural selection across mankind sounds like something an "evolutionist" would do.
But there is no such thing as an evolutionist.
"This is also why you see Christian missionaries helping people like this. But name a group of evolutionists that is willing to feed and help those in Sudan? Can't find one can you?"
The 'Hope For Haiti' Telethon? Organised by the actor, producer, director and Atheist George Clooney. $300 million raised. But on a more local level:
(*looks down at self *):
Ah yes, here's one: Evolutionist and Atheist Anon-e-moose. Donates money every month, from one high-interest savings account via Direct Debit, to Oxfam.
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...incidentally, Eye-sac, re. being 'willing to feed and help those in Sudan':
http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=84960&Page=1
...are you there?
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