I am worried about my 12 year old son. He accepted Christ as a child..I know he said it because I told him about it and I know he didnt totally understand. So I have raised him as a christian, he attended christian school, etc. Anyway, lately I notice he has NO desire to talk or listen about God. If we talk about endtimes, he automatically has to argue against it. Not loud arguing just comments that all are the opposite of what we talk about. I know I cant know his heart but I am worried when he has no desire to talk about it or have anything to do with it. I know he knows all of it with head knowledge but not so sure about heart knowledge. I told him I am worried about it and asked him about his relationship with Jesus. He just gets really defensive (maybe I sound like I am accusing him) and annoyed. Weird. I am worried about the age of understanding and what if we are raptured and he doesnt go?
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I know he knows all of it with head knowledge but not so sure about heart knowledge.
What the fuck is this shit? You're a goddamn adult, and you're writing (and, presumably, thinking) in baby-talk that your 12 year old son would probably be embarassed to hear you use!
Sounds a bit like I did, right before I quit the Catholic church.
Step into the light, son.
"He accepted Christ as a child..I know he said it because I told him about it and I know he didnt totally understand."
So you duped your kid into "accepting Christ" before he could actually understand what he was doing? I sense a Parent of the Year award in your future.
"Anyway, lately I notice he has NO desire to talk or listen about God. If we talk about endtimes, he automatically has to argue against it."
Damn. Seems you didn't start the brainwashing early enough. All that latent common sense seems to be bubbling to the surface after all.
"Weird. I am worried about the age of understanding and what if we are raptured and he doesnt go?"
There is no fucking Rapture . Explain to me why your deity would actually want to take such ignorant fools as yourselves to be with him for all eternity.
Wow..maybe you should start poking around his privacy and find out whatever friend he has thats giving him an education and sever that relationship pronto..I mean, cant have the boy thinking for himself now can we?
As for him refusing to accept the rapture, just take things from him until he conforms. Also be sure to be as descriptive as possible about what happens to a stubborn little soul like his in the lake of fire!
He may also be gay..better check into that one too.
*head+desk*
a pre-teen/teen that's asking questions, gets defensive and contradicts what you say? Well, that's a new one. *sarcasm*
My dear..he's probably still a Christian but doesn't want to talk about the rapture aka end of the world. Let him grow up.
He will not be raptured. Neither will you or your buddies on RR. As a mother I will offer this: Just love the kid, OK?
If you want to believe in this rapture nonsense, that's your business. Just because you can't handle that the world does not live up to fairy tale expectations is no reason to shove your ideas down your son's throat. He's 12, what 12 year old wants to hear, ad nauseum, that his life is going to end soon, especially by their own parent who seems thrilled by the prospect. Stop abusing your kid, get some help and get a life - your son has.
On the other end of this, I went to my uncle's funeral a while back. The shithead pastor doing his eulogy spent 15 minutes patting himself on the back for having gotten my uncle to "give himself to Jay-zus" a few months earlier.
My uncle had advanced Alzheimer's. He couldn't recognize his wife. Yet Rev. Dumbass, like Ketsialove, was sure he'd done a good thing by Bible-dunking someone who hadn't the faintest fucking clue what was going on.
Now that's the desperation of fanaticism.
Heart Knowledge:
Is there blood? Pump it.
Oh shit I need more air. Pump faster.
This is my heart's knowledge, if yours knows some more things I suggest you not tell anyone, they'll want to study your heart to see what else it can do.
The surest way to assure that the kid will forsake religion entirely is to just keep hammering nonsense at him, day after day, after day, after day, after day. Thus I recommend that you do so.
Ketsialove, honey, your son is 12. There is nothing wrong with him (yet) except that he is a 12 year old boy, entering puberty. It is at this stage that any child, boy or girl, begins to think that anyone over their own age is automatically stupid and not worth listening to. Twelve is when most children start pushing for real against the rules we parents have established for them. All children go through it. You did it. Your parents did it. Your significant other did it. So did his parents. I'm pretty certain even your dear and fluffy lord's beloved offspring bucked parental ideas at one point.
It's called growing up. If you don't want it to happen, don't spawn.
Yes, Ketsialove, your son is an atheist. Also, he masturbates while watching gay porn on the internet.
"You're not the boss of me , man!"
Sadly, once most folks have passed through their rebellious adolescent phase, they tend to settle down and accept whatever belief system it was they were raised with. Only a few of them manage to really break free.
How can he possibly "say the opposite of what we talk about?"
He's talking, too. Don't use "we" like there's more support of your opinion than there is of his. Like he automatically shares your views, and simply 'saying' otherwise doesn't count as a whole person's opinion.
"I told him I am worried about it and asked him about his relationship with Jesus."
His relationship with Jesus is between him and Jesus. It is none of your business. Stop asking him about it.
"If we talk about endtimes, he automatically has to argue against it. Not loud arguing just comments that all are the opposite of what we talk about."
At least your son isn't yelling at you to shut up about all the "end-times" nonsense. If I were in his position, I would be hard-pressed not to raise my voice. I respect him greatly for staying calm with you.
"I know he knows all of it with head knowledge but not so sure about heart knowledge."
"Head-knowledge" and "heart-knowledge" are terms used by certain religious groups. Supposedly, "heart-knowledge" is more reliable than "head-knowledge." Apparently, the heart can perform cognitive operations that the brain does not. These terms persist, even though we know that all cognitive processes happen in the brain, because emotional/intuitive thinking just FEELS completely different from logical/rational thinking.
Don't worry, I'm sure he's a Christian. He's just wants to stay away from RaptureReady bullshit and live like a normal person.
-_-
I feel so lucky that I wasn't born into a religion. Life would suck even more.
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Look, just because your son does not obbsess over the Rapture does not make him evil. I consider myself a Christian, but I don't obsses over the Rapture, I don't read the Bible all freaking day, and I don't really give a flying fuck what sexual orrination people have.
Maybe he is tired of all the hypocrisy and proslitizing and just wants a normal life. He might want to go out into the world and live.
Living is not a crime, it is not all about death.
You need to learn that.
what if we are raptured and he doesnt go?
Just about that for a moment: what all-good, -loving, -perfect doG would split up a family for all eternity like that, sending a child to unimaginable torture forever, just because he isn't thinking, feeling, or saying exactly the right thing?
Of course, I could be an insensitive bitch and tell you what one loving fundy xian told me when I had the same concerns about my parents: "If you go to heaven and they don't, doG will make sure you're so happy you won't remember them." Gave me more nightmares for weeks.
I am worried about the age of understanding and what if we are raptured and he doesnt go?
Well, according to your doctrine, he'll go through some horrible science-fiction tribulation and then suffer for eternity in a demented caricature of the mythical Greek underworld. Isn't that the answer you guys usually give in these situations? Well then.
Well, If he doesn't go, don't worry, I'll take care of him.... no really, i will, the way his rosebud asshole puckers up turns me on... he'll be safe with me... I'll fill him with my love
Lucilius - you have my sympathies. I've seen things like that too, and truly, it still amazes me when I think of it. When someone is in the final stages of lung cancer, they are so high on morphine that if you told them they were a kitty-cat, they would start trying to meow. How could you NOT convince a person like that of your religion's validity?
"Not loud arguing just comments that all are the opposite of what we talk about"
That really cheers me. Obviously, he's smart enough to know his mother is talking bullshit, and smart enough to know what a complete WASTE OF TIME talking to her about it is.
Yes, children are strange.
They have a way of habit of using their brains in some point of life.
And if the parents don't use theirs,
there is going to be a debate(in normal families) or fysical collide (in fundie families).
Wich you win with firm faith and fists. Moron...
Perhaps he began actually reading the Bible, or even just thinking about his "religion". I mean, when you *think* about it, it can seem a little silly.
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Ahhhh, memories! I remember being told as a child that the Bible was literally true and accepting it, after all it seemed reasonable at the time. Then at the age of nine and a half I read a wonderful little book called "The Junior Colour Encyclopaedia of Prehistoric Life". It started right at the beginning and covered the origins of the Earth, abiogenisis, evolution and the whole history of life on Earth right up to the evolution of homo sap in simple terms that a kid could grasp. That book probably changed my life. I remember my religious relatives being shocked when I told them that the Genesis account wasn't how it really happened, and advising my parents to 'get him into the Bible quick'. I feel for the kid, but hope the lad sticks to his guns and refuses to be brainwashed any longer.
While you worry about him, he is worrying about YOU. The poor kid has morons for parents, and worse yet they are morons who talk about leaving this world. You are freaking the poor kid out. He is thinking "Am I going to die soon? I'm just getting used to this world and starting to enjoy it, and all mom and dad say is it's time to go to heaven." This sounds like child abuse to me.
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