From what I gather atheists don't think anything they do is a sin, this includes murder. Atheists feel that there is no morality therefore they should be allowed to live as animals do, killing and stealing where ever and when ever they feel like it
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No, because I don't believe in sin.
However, murder is something that would kinda fuck up my life a lot, so I don't think I'm ever going to bother with it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you guys would totally think all that shit would be allowable without the bible and Jebus, right?
Please keep going to church. I beseech you.
" don't think anything they do is a sin, this includes murder."
Yes. This is primarily due to thinking that "sin" is a meaningless word outside of the contexts of religious belief, which we DO NOT HAVE. The question is not whether or not it is a "sin" to us, since that is irrelevant: we worry about whether it is "immoral", "unjust", or "criminal" instead.
"live as animals do, killing and stealing"
Please read that phrase over and over again until you can tell me what is wrong with it.
As far as I know animals only kill for food or if they feel their children are in danger. They don't sit around planning murders because they don't like some lion or the fox down the woods doesn't believe in the same God. There is no organized crime in the jungle.
They may steal some eggs from a nest, etc., but I think its to survive. They don't steal from greed or jealousy that some other animal has something they don't.
Now humans (and that includes you Christians) where do you begin to describe the horrible things they do to each other?
Oh - you can begin with religion and take it from there.
From what I gather ...
Gather more.
Well shucks, it sure sucks that no society on earth has come up with morals or laws since Moses brought down the ten commandments. This is such a stupid fucking argument I dont even see how the fundies believe it. *beginners mistake I know* We have fucking laws you twit, and athiest, christians and hindus all get punished for violated them regardless of their own personal morality.
Just because I don't take orders from a book doesn't mean I have no morals. I don't lie, steal, and kill because I understand that it is wrong, it's the way I was raised. I don't need anybody to threaten me with hellfire to keep me from killing anybody. My own morals and the law are enough to keep me in line.
@ Kingoftheheavies: Actually, yes. Penguins and cowbirds steal things from others' nests for their own. My cats get into property disputes over toys and treats.
And little Zhen Zhen at the San Diego Zoo would like her keepers' shoes for herself, as can be seen in this photo set.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ritapetita/sets/72157606329972042/
That said, I'd much rather be like a cat or penguin or panda than this moron.
"killing and stealing where ever and when ever they feel like it"
For the killing, I now bring up adolf hitler as from your religion.
For the stealing, your religion is stealing money from poor dumbasses.
From what I gather christianists don't think anything they do is a sin, this includes murder. Christianists feel that they are forgiven by god therefore they should be allowed to live as animals do, killing and stealing where ever and when ever they feel like it
Fixed.
I live in a country where killing and stealing are crimes. I agree that these activities should be considered crimes.
Furthermore, the country in which I live tries and punishes (or rehabilitates) people who commit crimes. I also agree that a system of fair, impartial trials and punishments or rehabilitation procedures, commensurate with the severity of the crime in question are necessary for a functioning, orderly society to exist.
See? No sin. No gods. No damnation. We can take care of these problems ourselves.
Now, go fuck yourself.
"From what I gather atheists don't think anything they do is a sin, this includes murder."
You are confused. As an atheist I understand that gods don't exist. As sin is an offense against a deity, sin doesn't exist. I still feel murder is an unethical act and shouldn't be allowed.
"Atheists feel that there is no morality"
Atheists DO NOT feel that way. Do not presume to tell me what I believe.
I feel there is no morality sent down from on high. Ethics come from personal realization not from "higher authorities."
"therefore they should be allowed to live as animals do,"
Humans ARE animals and we humans live exactly as human animals do.
"killing and stealing where ever and when ever they feel like it"
STFU. You patently haven't done any meanful research and you are simply smearing the reputations of atheists. That IS bearing false witness against your neighbors, WWWY.
Yes, that is why I am going to start murdering people now, just because I feel like it. [/sarcasm]
What are you, 5 years old?
Worldwide, the Scandinavian countries and Japan are the countries with the highest proportions of 'organic' atheists (that is, people who chose atheism, not have it forced on them by the state).
They have murder rates between a tenth and a fifth of the God-fearing USAs.
High levels of organic atheism are strongly correlated with high levels of societal health, such as low homicide rates, low poverty rates, low infant mortality rates, and low illiteracy rates, as well as high levels of educational attainment, per capita income, and gender equality. Most nations characterized by high degrees of individual and societal security have the highest rates of organic atheism, and conversely, nations characterized by low degrees of individual and societal security have the lowest rates of organic atheism.
A few fundy murderers include:
Paul Hill
John Salvi
John List
Michael Griffin
James Charles Kopp
Eric Rudolph
None of these men had any morals - and they were all fundies!
Why do you gather atheists? Punctuation is your friend, WWWY.
Do you think that anything you do is haram, including murder? No? Oh, you don't accept "haram" as a real thing? Well then, we don't accept "sin" as a real thing.
We do believe in morality, but we believe that morality ought to be to not harm other people, and to treat others as we want to be treated. We don't think it's moral to kill people for working on the Sabbath, or cutting their hair and beard, and we don't thing that rape victims ought to be forced to marry the rapist.
How many atheist thieves and murderers are there in American prisons, and how many Christian thieves and murderers? Which group is more into "killing and stealing where ever and when ever they feel like it"?
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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