Family tree charts are illustrations that show the supposed connections between species and their ancestors. Here are some questions to consider:
* Do these charts show transitions from one specie to another, or are there distinct gaps between kinds?
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Notice at the bottom that there are millions of missing links between the microscopic life forms and the thousands of fully formed creatures that appear suddenly without any ancestors!
See the same chart below with all of the imaginary connecting lines removed.
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Now look at the same chart with all of the imaginary lines removed.
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The sad thing is, I've tried to tell this guy on many occasions that his question regarding the length of time between the appearance of the first male and female is nonsense, as the genders would evolve at the same time.
Of course they are "fully formed creatures." Unformed creatures wouldn't survive to reproduce! Why can't these people understand that EVERY SPECIES IS IN TRANSITION, as long as there is pressure to survive? ALL OF THOSE THINGS WERE ALWAYS EVOLVING, THERE ARE NO PIT STOPS ON THE EVOLUTIONARY TRACK!!!1! AAAARGHHSHHALKSHALJFHLKJEA!!!!
Wow.
So if they erase the lines in a simplified museum placard presentation of evolution, they see different species.
I can erase the orbital path lines on a diagram of the solar system.
All you see are fully formed creatures with no transitional forms whatsoever.
That's because it's a simplified form, you nitwit.
Why would a wookie, an 8 foot tall wookie, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two foot tall ewoks? That does not make sense! But more importantly, you have to ask yourself, what does that have to do with this case?' Nothing. Ladies and Gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case. It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.
"God created all living things, male and female in 6 days.
At first there were no males and females. They were single-celled organisms that reproduced by cloning. Then, they evolved into hermaphrodites that had male and female parts, and could reproduce with others. Over time you'd have males and females and at first both could reproduce with the vast majority of their species since it was just a genetic mutation and most were still hermaphrodites. Then over time these mutants evolved into an entirely different species that unlike the hermaphrodite species was entirely male or female (maybe with a few mutant hermaphrodites once in a while). By the time they became their own species and not just mutants within a larger hermaphrodite species there were plenty of males and females to reproduce with.
Does that answer your question?
Osiris wrote:
"But why is the fossil record like that. Why are things like sponges and shellfish and trilobites on the bottom? Why are dinosaurs in the middle and mammals on the top? Creationism can't answer that question, and evolution can." Ah, but Creationists DO answer that question! They say the answer is "hydrological sorting". In a free-flowing environment -- such as all the corpses getting churned up in the Noachian flood -- the small things will tend to sink to the bottom and the big things will tend to bubble toward the top. That's why little starfish and trilobites are on the bottom, and great big dinosaurs are on top of them.
I remember meeting a fundie in highschool. He asked "O YEA,WUT CAME FURST MAN OR WIMMEN??? C'MON ATHIEST FAEG,WUT CAME FURST??" God dammit the fundie was so fucking stupid,he was asking "what came first,man or women" which does not make any sense.
Kinda off-topic but in both pictures my eye immediately goes to the t-rex.
Just goes to prove how badass the t-rex is, or was.
There was probably a mutation that produced different genders, and both appeared at the same time. If you split something in two, both parts are split at the same time.
What do you mean with "mosaic"? Is that your imbecile version of mesozoic? That's just as hilarious as if I mixed up Jesus and Judas. Har har har...
Non-fully functional life forms does not live to breed, they probably don't even live to be born. And that's what we call miscarriages.
No, there are no gaps between species. It's like with wolves and dogs, or with horses and donkeys. They are speciating right now, in another hundred thousand years or so, they will probably not be able to breed with each other any more.
"Otherwise, how many millions of years was it between the first make and the first female?
Hint: Any argument that in any way resembles anything ever said by Ray Comfort is not a good argument.
However, a lot of good information can be found by buying a basic biology textbook.
I _love_ it when they think that male and female evolved seperatly.
Its like, any argument they could otherwise come up with gets nullified because they display such utter ignorance on the subject.
Isn't technology grand? Remove lines, add some drivel, and voila! - a new chart. A completely meaningless bullshit new chart, but still a new chart.
A pity you can't so easily change the fact that you're an idiot, though.
Wait a tic, if God had created all things male and female within the 6 days then just how much time did Adam have to be depressed at his lack of a female companion before Eve was crafted from his rib? And why use his rib when God could just will life into existence?
Your 'how many millions of years between the first male and first female' argument is weak. Cells started reproducing asexually, the requirement of fertilization appeared in more complex lifeforms as a way to limit their growth cycles as not to overrun the world.
Men and women are not different species, hell there are certain species of frog that can spontaneously switch genders as an evolutionary response to threatened breeding conditions. The only logical stumbling block I've ever found with evolution is the idea that humans are it's pinnacle.
Tell that to intelligent design.
@Renon:...You do realize that was a response to it, right?
@Passerby : The hell? Evolution doesn't have a pinnacle. Evolution is about being adapted to a specific habitat. What works in the desert doesn't work in the mountains or the sea. Even if evolution did have a pinnacle, it would probably be sharks. Those mofos got it right ages ago and haven't significantly evolved since.
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