Quote# 40415

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Originally Posted by Dora
Now, how about a straight answer, instead of a question:

What should happen if a woman is pregnant, and her dr finds she has cancer and needs immediate treatment to save her life. That treatment is deadly to a fetus. Should the mother do without treatment, have the baby & die - or should she abort her baby, have treatment and live?


Xenosapien Response:
ANSWER FOR THE XENOSAPIEN IMPAIRED: If the woman has cancer that will kill her in nine months, she would have been diagnosed WELL before a pregnancy, as any cancer WILL NOT KILL A HUMAN IN THE SPAN OF NINE MONTHS. Hence, the woman should have KNOWN, hence should have kept HER pants on.

XenoSapien, Hardcore Politics 55 Comments [6/4/2008 3:56:42 PM]
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Exmuslim Turk

wat

6/4/2008 3:57:00 PM

Necronomikron

Except that it can kill fairly quickly. Now answer the question.

6/4/2008 3:57:29 PM

aaa

Cancer kills in 6 months.

6/4/2008 4:03:54 PM

approximate

You know nothing about Cancer.

STFU retard.

6/4/2008 4:07:19 PM

Brian-sama

Believe it or not (and I'm guessing not), cancer can have a rather quick onset, depending on the type. Particularly malignant tumors can sometimes kill within a matter of weeks after diagnoses, though admittedly this is often because of a failure to diagnose as soon as possible. The sad fact is that not everyone is diagnosed immediately when the cancer forms.

I'm surprised XenoSapien even believes in cancer, seeing as how it's not in the Bible. Wouldn't tumors just be some sort of demon growing inside someone?

6/4/2008 4:11:56 PM

CtraK

Board slogan - "where intelligent discussion owns the day"

XenoSapien is banned. Draw your own conclusions...

6/4/2008 4:24:04 PM

Terry Stroud

You'll want to talk to my wife.
1) Ask her about family members and cancer.
2) Run
3) Duck (she's a good shot)

6/4/2008 4:24:52 PM

...

Yeah, how dare she get cancer after getting pregnant. I swear, parents today just don't know how to prioritize! It's all the atheists' fault!

6/4/2008 4:25:59 PM

anonymous_troy

1. How do you know she goes to the doctor that often?

2. Fucking rape apologist.

6/4/2008 4:26:13 PM

BlackMageJ

Translation:

"I don't want to answer that question, so here's some mad rambling that would be a non-sequitur even if it weren't total bullshit"

6/4/2008 4:29:02 PM

David D.G.

For XenoSapien, the Intelligence-Impaired:

Some cancers, by the time they are detectable, are just weeks away from killing the person (e.g., pancreatic cancer, which generally kills within 8-10 weeks after first symptoms appear).

And just because a woman has symptoms doesn't mean that she knows it's cancer; some people avoid going to doctors out of fear or because they have no insurance, so some people might have cancer for years without knowing it until it's too late and they have only a few months or weeks to live.

So:

1. You have no freakin' idea what the facts are concerning cancer (or, I expect, pregnancy).

2. You have just twisted reality to try to make it conform to the black-and-white image you want it to be.

3. You have blamed the hypothetical victim in the process, for misogynistic extra credit.

And on top of all that, there are certain other situations besides cancer that make the dilemma even more acute -- ectopic pregnancy, for one, since it invariably kills both the pregnant woman and the fetus unless the latter is aborted. The woman can be saved; the fetus CANNOT, so there is no point in condemning both of them to death. The same applies to many quick-kill cancer situations, too.

Like it or not, XenoSapien, there are some situations in which the definite life of the mother absolutely trumps the potential life of the developing fetus -- if only because the only other choice is death for both.


~David D.G.

6/4/2008 4:30:47 PM

Ambrielle

I just threw up a bit.

6/4/2008 4:36:22 PM

WhyDontYou.Org.UK

Retarded Clucking Funt

6/4/2008 4:37:08 PM

Quantum Mechanic

wow

XenoSapien should have been aborted.

6/4/2008 4:38:24 PM

GigaGuess

Because cancer is feared so because it takes it's time. Right.

6/4/2008 4:42:07 PM

Goldarn

EVEN if Xenosapien was correct:

She should have kept her pants on? What if her husband had commanded her, righteously, to have relations with him? Shouldn't she, then, accept her lot in life, have the baby, and die, because of her duties to her husband?

It seems to me that Xenosapien is being very anti-Fundie-Christian here.

6/4/2008 4:52:21 PM

tmr

My aunt was diagnosed with breast cancer in May of 1996. This was after over a year of symptoms that they refused to acknowledge because they were doing "god's work" as missionaries on the Micronesian Island of Yap. When she finally got sick enough to come back to the states, she found out she was pregnant the same week she was diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer.

She chose not to treat the cancer and instead have the baby.

They went through hell after the baby's birth trying to treat it after the fact. In the end, she died in December of 1997, leaving behind five children and a husband.

Had she treated the cancer immediately, rather than ignoring it for more than a year, she'd still be alive today. Of that I have no doubt. Had she aborted her fetus upon diagnosis she most likely would have survived to mother the four children she already had.

Instead, she did things your way and left five children without a mother in the hands of their inept father.

6/4/2008 4:58:11 PM

Ozzie

My poor aunt was gone in 6 months. You don't know what you are talking about, and you are pissing off people who have lost family or friends in a short amount of time.

6/4/2008 4:59:17 PM

Justin

Funny how my mom's friend was diagnosed with ovarian cancer, and 5 months later she was dead, riddled with tumors.

6/4/2008 5:11:31 PM

BeemerRefugee1990

@ Terry Stroud:

I'd love to introduce this asshat to my mother. She can take frogs out of a stream with a .357.

This is one of those tear-jerker stories that turns up in things like Women's World or Reader's Digest, then gets made into a Lifetime Movie Network "Original".

6/4/2008 5:12:58 PM

Caterina

Hm...funny, my grandmother died three weeks to the day from diagnosis.

6/4/2008 6:05:24 PM

Papabear

My father found he had prostate cancer and lived another 6 years. My mother found she had colon cancer and died in 6 months. My neighbor found he had brain cancer and was dead in less than two weeks. People and cancers are all different.

P.S. You still didn't answer the question.

6/4/2008 6:29:41 PM

clockworkgirl21

Cancer killed my grandpa in 3 months. You loose.

6/4/2008 6:43:50 PM

anti-nonsense

Cancer does not work that way!

6/4/2008 6:47:54 PM

Poisoned Rationality

A coworker's father developed symptoms and was dead two months later. You fail.

6/4/2008 6:53:37 PM

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