Quote# 37870

CJ said,

April 16, 2008 at 9:24 am

We believe in talking birds (African Grey Parrot). Why is a talking snake such a stretch? We have evidence of an animal that speaks today, yet no one can prove that snakes have never spoken. It all seems so silly. If atheist want to label faith as fantasy, perhaps they should pick better examples.

CJ, Friendly Atheist 47 Comments [4/19/2008 5:05:34 AM]
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mkb

'e's pining for the desert!

4/19/2008 5:08:05 AM

Mike

Birds don't speak, they mimic.

4/19/2008 5:08:49 AM

Osiris

Well you see it has to do something with the fact that an African Grey is extremely intelligent for a bird. It can recognize sounds that are very different from it's own and then mimic them, but most of the time it is merely mimicking sound and doesn't really understand the words. And as for why a snake can't talk well it has to do primarily with the fact that SNAKES CAN'T HEAR! And then there is the fact that no one has ever heard a snake talk since then.

4/19/2008 5:22:38 AM

Allegory for Jesus

"no one can prove that snakes have never spoken"

Prove that they have spoken before. Can't prove a negative, extraordinary claims, going to go put a gun in my mouth, etc.

"If atheist want to label faith as fantasy, perhaps they should pick better examples"

We would. Unfortunately, because of faith, you will never be able to realize the fantastic, unfounded aspects that we bring to your attention!

4/19/2008 5:23:21 AM

Dark_Lord_Prime

What Osiris said.


Oh, and then there's the small problem of snakes having no vocal chords.

4/19/2008 5:41:14 AM

Monkeyboy

'We have evidence of an animal that speaks today'

Yeah, human beings.

4/19/2008 5:44:46 AM

WMDKitty

Did this guy miss the memo about the brown acid, or something?

4/19/2008 5:51:08 AM

anti-nonsense

snakes don't have the physical ability to make complex sounds like parrots and people do. Therefore, snakes cannot talk.

4/19/2008 5:51:24 AM

Callyn

Parrots are insanely intelligent and have vocal chords capable of mimicking human speech. However, most have no ability to understand what they are mimicking. Most apes are able to learn Language to a greater degree, even if their language is not verbal. Snakes are demonstrably dumb and lack vocal chords altogether.

4/19/2008 5:54:29 AM

Papabear

You're right, it does "all seem so silly," but not, I'm afraid, for the reasons YOU think it's silly.

As an atheist, let me say that we do pick other examples in our labelling religions fantasy. We have hundreds of them, but the talking snake example holds up well. Would you care to discuss the vocal capabilities of burning shrubs?

4/19/2008 6:00:47 AM



Sure parrots can talk, but they just mimic what we say, they actually know what they are saying. The snake in the Garden Of Eden was supposed to an intelligent, crafty creature with it's own agenda. Fundies are the stupidest motherfuckers that ever walked their god's green earth.

4/19/2008 6:02:44 AM

onoma

(mimicry =/= speaking ) nth'd

4/19/2008 6:42:32 AM

FMG

African Grey's are mimics. They can make human "noises". But they cannot truly speak. Their tongues are similar to ours.

A snake's tongue is legendarily different to a human tongue. Ours are wide and short, theirs are long and forked...

Moron...

As for "language". Almost all social animals have some form of language. Just because you can't understand it does not make it lesser or greater than what we read.

4/19/2008 6:51:33 AM

Nowonmai

Because Parrots have to be taught to mimic words. That is a far stretch from a "Conversing Snake".

4/19/2008 7:03:16 AM

J-Hay

This is what originally meant to say in post #501399:

Sure parrots can talk, but they just mimic what we say, they don't actually know what they are saying. The snake in the Garden Of Eden was supposed to be an intelligent, crafty creature with it's own agenda. Fundies are the stupidest motherfuckers that ever walked their god's green earth.

4/19/2008 7:15:15 AM

Brooke Ella

Parrots don't have the intelligence to actually hold a conversation, unlike the chatting snake.

4/19/2008 7:36:53 AM

484

You fuck up

4/19/2008 8:54:15 AM

Princess Rot

Parrots don't "talk". They only mimic what they've heard. Your argument is dead in the water.

4/19/2008 10:15:17 AM

Patashu

Because...snakes have no vocal cords?

Do I really need to explain this?

4/19/2008 10:47:27 AM

anatiedaephobic

Only one african grey parrot (Alex) has actually even possibly been able to use language, as opposed to just mimic sounds. And he was really more about counting things, not tempting people into disobeying the word of God. Maybe he did that on his days off, though.

4/19/2008 11:29:28 AM

Psittacosis

Fundie wants a cracker!

4/19/2008 11:29:40 AM

szena

Look, you idiot, the fact that some birds can form words does not mean that snakes can.

4/19/2008 11:43:36 AM

Darn

Hmm...
so that's why they say

"Polly wants an apple !!!!, screech!!!!"

<starts foaming a the mouth and rolling his eyes

Burn them, they are of the anti-christ!!!!, feathered snakes !!!!!!, burn them all !!!.

(that makes me wonder, can you build a bridge out of parrots..... hmmm... maybe a Norwegian Blue :-/ )

4/19/2008 11:53:37 AM

Illuminatalie

"We have evidence of an animal that speaks today"
Alexander Graham Bear was just a children's toy.

4/19/2008 12:03:17 PM

Blayze Kohime

A few birds have become fairly competent at communication but only when specifically and tirelessly instructed by human tutors. Though these birds were intelligent, they were not capable of passing on the information to their young.

Reptiles can't for a number of reasons, the most of which is that their vocals aren't shaped right to make human speech. They can't even make loud sounds or syllables, much less words.

And then you use the logic that peeves me so much. I can't prove that badgers can't talk. I can't prove that insect that just buzzed by wasn't a secret government listening device. I can't prove a lot of things. That's why the burden of proof is always on the one making the claim.

4/19/2008 12:54:28 PM

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