I don't know if the birds or any other creature knows about God per say, but I do know birds instinctively return to build their nests each year in anticipation of the new lives within them. Who is there to say they have no knowledge of their own dependency on their Creator?? My dog has an adoration for us we humans would do well to have for God. Where did he learn this kind of dedication~~maybe he too senses he belongs to the Creator. Animals are always proving how really intelligent they are. Dogs are trained for a whole variety of services and other animals are too. And the lovely music the birds provide certainly may be a tribute to the Creator. Who knows?
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"I don't know if the birds or any other creature knows about God per say...."
Please, please, for the love of whatever you do or do not worship: The expression is not "per say," but per se.
Thank you. We now return you to your regularly scheduled fundie mocking already in progress.
"My dog has an adoration for us we humans would do well to have for God. Where did he learn this kind of dedication~~...."
From 10,000 years of selective breeding by his "creators": human beings.
This we have evidence for. Where is your evidence of the god you want us to beg, fetch, and roll over for?
""My dog has an adoration for us we humans would do well to have for God.""
Dogs' unconditional love for their owners is very easily abused. You have to yell at, starve and torture your dog a good deal for it to stop loving you. Much like fundies and their gods, in fact.
Dogs learned that kind of dedication through generations of behavioral modification. Since birth, they are taught, using reinforcement, by their trainers that they need to slavishly follow orders, regardless of the reason or even whether or not its in their own self-interest. So, I guess they are a lot like you and other fundies.
"And the lovely music the birds provide certainly may be a tribute to the Creator."
It's actually an evolutionary trait designed to allow the bird to find a mate.
"birds instinctively return to build their nests each year in anticipation of the new lives within them"
1. Cuckoos don't.
2. Birds that don't build nests (or lay their eggs in someone else's) tend to leave less offspring behind to perpetuate their 'independent' ways.
"And the lovely music the birds provide certainly may be a tribute to the Creator. Who knows?"
People who've studied birdsong perhaps? Sure, birdsong sounds nice to many of us, but to a competing bird it sounds like "Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough!"
Don't take your dogs admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful ~ Ann Landers
I've worked with a lot of dogs in my life. Most of the problem ones tend to be rather intelligent and have outsmarted their owners. Or people that can't get their head around the fact that dogs are not human.
As for the birds, I remember one spring on the prairies, where we had a late cold snap. Birds froze to death and dropped out of trees. You think God would of warned them if he loved them so much.
I've also met birds that whistle the Andy Griffith intro, and the Hockey Night in Canada Song. Does that mean that God loves a good cross-check?
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Or, could it just be a case of manufacturing evidence to prop up a shaky belief system?
Occam's razor tends to agree.
the "lovely music" is just incidental in its "loveliness" - it's actually communication. Perhaps in some future time when aliens have overrun the planet, we'll be paired up in cages to talk to each other so that the aliens can hear the beautiful sounds of our voices.
Also, if you take this thought to a conclusion it leads to dangerous ideas (fundie-wise)... if birds instinctively build nests, humans instinctively have sex? Blasphemy!
Also, the other people are right. Dogs are sort of like a certain breed of fundie (not the born-again ones, but the raised-from-birth ones). They are taught with repeated commands and instructions over and over and over from the day they are born. That is why a lot of fundies hate the internet - it gives their brattish offspring a way to escape from the fundyism.
Course of etyology needed for this person, please. Very basic first notion, INSTINCT, repeat with me INSTINCT. And the lovely music is not a tribute to the creator. It's a way to communicate and only males can do it(to court the females)
Sad as it may seem, the "lovely music the birds provide" are not "a tribute to the Creator".
This "lovely music" is in fact a bird's way of stating one of 3 things:
1) FUCK OFF!
Dogs act like that because they live in packs in the wild, thus it is natural for them to have 'pack mentality' and see their owner as the 'alpha' in their 'pack'. They act towards you the same way the subjects in a pack act towards the alpha male and female.
This isn't really a fundie type person though. I'm all for people believing what they want as long as they aren't shoving it down throats.
Wolves are pack animals. We domesticated them and took the place of their pack leader. We selectively bred them to get the ones most willing to serve us. The result is the dog at my feet who adores me. I trained him, God didn't need to teach him anything.
Birdsong? It's to do with establishing territories and attracting mates.
Evolution explains all this much better than the assumption that animals are aware of a creator.
And the lovely music the birds provide certainly may be a tribute to the Creator. Who knows?
Um no, when birds chirp they're usually saying "Stay the fuck off my territory" to other birds. No big mystery there.
birds instinctively return to build their nests each year in anticipation of the new lives within them.
Obviously, these are evil Satanic birds, because True Christian TM birds would know that they're going to be raptured before their eggs hatch, right?
If you're ever woken by angry ducks at four in the morning, you wouldn't call birdsong lovely. In fact most of it isn't lovely. It's birds trying desparately to have sex with one another, usually discordantly.
The song most birds are really singing:
This land is my land,
As others have said, the bird-songs you love hearing can translate roughly to: "Any big-booty bitches wanna get some of this, then take a cruise in my nest"; and "Hey, you ass-sucking Robin! Get the fuck out of my airspace before I shove that beak of yours down your throat!". Oh, and they came about, like the behavior of domesticated dogs, through ages of evolution and natural selection.
@antichrist
You answered your own question. They do it INSTINCTIVELY. Animals don't have to learn everything from scratch because the best survival strategies are hard-wired into their brains. They (are you ready for this word?) EVOLVED to know many things from birth because that's the best way to survive if you don't have a long learning period with your parents.
Incidentally, when birds and animals are well adapted to their environment, it took a long time for that adaptation to happen. That's why when we mess with the environment, we doom so many other species to death. We have air conditioners and/or snow tires and central heating, and import our food from Peru or Mexico. They don't.
"Who knows?" Apparently you don't, that's who.
Confused?
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