Quote# 3650

The burden of proof falls on those (you) who accuse (or suggest) that the Gospels are not truthful.

joelch2, Rapture Ready 10 Comments [8/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Ericm6

Wouldn't it be strange if logic worked like that?

6/25/2009 6:11:51 PM

Swedish Pagan

You can't prove that something does NOT exist. It's the one saying that something does exist, or something is the absolute truth, who has the burden of proof.

6/26/2009 2:48:57 AM

Ayersy

It's 'innocent until proven guilty'. Not the other way around.

You have to prove something happened/exists in order for it to be considered true.

6/26/2009 7:45:40 AM

MDB

okay, fine.

Three different Gospels have three different stories about which women went to Christ's tomb, and what exactly they found there. Which one is right?

6/26/2009 8:35:40 AM

Anon-e-moose

"The burden of proof falls on those (you) who accuse (or suggest) that the Gospels are not truthful."

In Bizarro World, maybe. But this is reality. You claim that a 'God' exists. And the burden of proof is on YOU fundies.

6/26/2009 8:51:46 AM

David B.

First:

The burden of proof is always on the person making the assertion. To say something is true without having proof is called a bare assertion fallacy. It does not matter whether you are making a positive claim or a negative, if you are making the claim then the burden of proof is on you.

So yes, if someone says the Gospels are untruthful then it is up to them to prove it. Similarly, if someone says the Gospels are true then it is up to them to prove it.

That said:

The Gospels are untrue. Matthew 2 states that Jesus was taken to Egpyt until Herod died and Archelaus succeeded him. Herod Archelaus is the son of Herod the Great and ruled from 4 BC to 6 AD. Luke 2 states that Joseph and the pregnant Mary travelled to Bethlehem to attend an Augustine Census conducted by Quirinus of Syria. Quirinius was appointed legate of Syria in 6 AD, following the banishment of Archelaus, and instructed to take census of Judea.

So Jesus flees Herod the Great sometime before 4BC, then returns to Judea during the reign of Archelaus, but is born during the census conducted by Quirinius, which did not happen until after Archelaus' reign.

Not possible, so at least one of these two Gospel accounts is not truthful.

6/26/2009 10:49:49 AM

Quantum Mechanic

Fail logic much?

2/1/2011 4:00:38 AM

Quantum Mechanic

They're well known forgeries.

4/20/2012 7:46:07 AM

Canadiest

They're internally inconsistant, contradict themselves. If you can't admit that, nothing will ever breach your belief.

So,,,pointless to try, we give you info, you deny it, done. Now for you moderates and fence sitters, and people who misquote the Bible and History, back to the FSTDT mandate.

4/21/2012 9:12:55 AM

Quantum Mechanic

"not truthful"

Well-known forgeries.

Get a small education.

6/12/2012 1:15:38 PM

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