No, I don't think I would vote for an atheist; and I will tell you why: if one doesn't believe in God, then one doesn't believe in oneself; and if one doesn't believe in itself, then one doesn't believe in the people; and if one doesn't believe in the people, one cannot serve it properly. I know a few people who claim to be atheists and their speech is rather unclear, confused, in regards to their position...and if a politician is atheist, you can bet that most of his decisions will be of remaining sat on the wall, like humpty dumpty.
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Atheism doesn't work that way.
Look where christian politicians got us! Bush speaks on the economy and the stock market dropped 300 points. Not to mention two wars and banging the war drums for a third.
first we have a steaming pile of non sequiturs, then a great bit of stereotyping that atheists have no clear political beliefs, then an incoherent analogy. it's a beautiful finish to a crazy, mindless rant that achieves wonderfully high levels of idiocy and drags politics into it. a clear 5.
I'm an atheist, and I know who I am. I know that when I succeed, it is not because I am gifted, but because I have worked very hard to be talented, and that if I stop working hard, my talent will slip. I know that when I fail, it is my fault, and I must shoulder the burden, rather than foisting it off as being a test from above. I know that other people fail, too, and that sometimes they need help, not meaningless platitudes. I know what I believe in, and I have reached those conclusions using logic and thinking things through, not because some book or person told me to. I know that being an atheist is part of who I am, and not the entirety.
Was that clear enough for you, Max?
Not even Superman can make leaps like you.
If one doesn't believe in Play-do, then one doesn't believe in fish. If one doesn't believe in fish, then one doesn't believe in universal harmony. If one doesn't believe in universal harmony, then one doesn't believe in post modernism.... Fark, I could go on for days...
That is so awesome Max, King of Logic. Here's one you can try : go from "If you are braindead" to "he drops the piano down 8 flights of stairs" in 3 syllogisms. Depending on your level of brainwashing, you may be able to do it in 2.
"No, I don't think I would vote for an atheist; and I will tell you why: if one doesn't believe in God, then one doesn't believe in oneself; and if one doesn't believe in itself, then one doesn't believe in the people; and if one doesn't believe in the people, one cannot serve it properly."
Isn't comparing a belief in yourself to a belief in god essentially putting yourself at your deities level which is, as you should know, a no-no in most religions? What are you, some sort of heretic?
"I know a few people who claim to be atheists and their speech is rather unclear, confused, in regards to their position"
Funny, that's how the religious come across to atheists when they attempt to explain exactly why it is they believe what they do.
"and if a politician is atheist, you can bet that most of his decisions will be of remaining sat on the wall, like humpty dumpty."
And why would that be so?
"I know a few people who claim to be atheists and their speech is rather unclear, confused, in regards to their position...."
As opposed to, say, the crystal clarity of this post of yours? I'd say the lack of clear communication is due to a problem on your end, not theirs.
~David D.G.
if one doesn't believe in God, then one doesn't believe in oneself
Would you guys make up your minds? Fundies usually say that atheists worship themselves.
Hi I recently noticed some visits to my blog from this site.
The comments here seem to be rather shallow as compared to the in depth analysis of the comments guests have submitted to my blog for the quoted article.
Interestingly the person’s comments you are most conversing about in my comment section is not a Christian, yet her words display a lot of wisdom. Care to come to my blog and speak to her instead of secretly talking here behind her back?
I should also inform you that I am Canadian and therefore I am not supporting any of the US candidates.
Oh and by the way I am not a fundamentalist
@ Livingsword
I did read your blog and, pardon me, but you are a fundie and mighty long-winded, at that. You present your theses the way a badly-educated parish priest in the 12th century would.
Emulate the Jesuits. Now those guys could hand you your head if you're not careful. They are great fun to argue and debate with. Most had a good working knowledge of science and theology and were trying incredibly hard to reconcile the two. I learned quite a lot from my Jesuit teachers.
As for posting comments on your blog, thank you but no. I prefer the cut and thrust and the blood and thunder of active debate than the bland and giggly tickling of a pillow fight.
Go with (whatever deity you prefer), livingsword. May you discover truth despite your beliefs.
Hi Werewolf;
Thanks for coming by for the visit.
I would also like to thank you for your kind elucidations. LOL
As a former atheist I am very happy to host as many atheist guests as would like to come for a visit, and there are quite a few
However I believe it is quite cowardly to come to another blog and then slink away and write insults of others. So much for the “cut and thrust and the blood and thunder of active debate” LOL
I see none of that here
LOL
My guest Max who I will add again is not a Christian, would clean the floor with you in a debate
. And at the same time she would be a lady
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And you are quite incorrect; I am not a fundamentalist
But you do seem to be an atheist fundamentalist
My peace I give you my peace I leave you
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Stop saying LOL, unless you mean it. Then again, i'm not entirely comfortable talking to someone laughing manically at his keyboard.
So just fuck off and we can go back to laughing at you.
@ Livingsword
The operative word is "fun", silly person.
I write for a living and I comment on this site for "fun." Wasting my time debating you or Max would not be "fun" because we will be covering subjects I've covered a long time ago (and more than adequately covered by most of the people here). It also would not put money in my pocket.
I would further caution about calling me a coward. You don't know me or my history. I name you a fundie because of what you have written on your site and I stand by this.
@ Livingsword,
Sorry, I forgot to mention...
If the above post is an example of Max's reasoning skills, all I can say is LOL.
Look who's talking!!. Your speech is more than unclear, and that's because you missed some creative writting clases, I guess, not because you believe in God.
"Interestingly the person’s comments you are most conversing about in my comment section is not a Christian, yet her words display a lot of wisdom"
Are you joking? Is this actually a joke? She thinks atheists don't believe in themselves. I'm not sure wether she means that we think we don't actually exist or that we have no confidence in our abilities. Either way, she's quite wrong. Yet again the same applies to believing in the people. She then makes a claim that several atheists she knows lack lucidity when speaking, a claim that carries very little significane. Next, she concludes from her own limited experience with these atheists that most of their political decisions would be "of remaining sat on the wall" (note the poor grammar) and then rounds it off nicely by referncing a children's rhyme.
Yeah, we're dealing with a real intellect here. Clean the floor in a debate my ass. Cleans the floor as a job more like.
It's been my observation that people secure in their faith don't feel the need to debate and/or whine at non-theists.
But apparently, "life on the blade" has also cut off your oxygen supply, rendering you brain dead. 'Tis a pity for society!
I know a few people who claim to be atheists and their speech is rather unclear, confused, in regards to their position...and if a politician is atheist, you can bet that most of his decisions will be of remaining sat on the wall, like humpty dumpty.
Funny, I know a few people who claim to be Christians and their speech is rather unclear, confused, in regards to their position... Unclear speech must therefore be a direct result of being Christian.
The rest of the sentence doesn't even make grammatical sense.
This is the best debater on the site?
Your christian values got you placed on the canadian torture-watch list. And this DESPITE the fact that our prime minister is a yapping little lapdog for your administration (minority lead though so we've managed to contain most of what he's tried to do).
Seems those "Christian Values" all involve torturing innocent civilians (including children), bombing countries back into the stone age, handing all the money over to the rich by fucking over retirement, mortgage and investment systems, slashing health, education and anything meant for the common good (some of your roads are starting to look like Quebec's), and arresting any who speak out.
as usual, "christian values" involve ignoring anything that Jesus guy in your stories said, and doing everything he accused angry mobs and moneychangers of doing.
Let's look at the first really stupid leap of faith here.
if one doesn't believe in God, then one doesn't believe in oneself;
If you believe in the Christian God, then you believe that you are a vile sinner, damned to perdition, who cannot earn salvation. On the other hand, atheists don't believe in themselves. Yeah right!
Yay, non-sequitor fun! Let me try it!
I have a dog, I am an athiest, therefore dogs are all satanic, therefore atheists are satanic, therefore Noah's Flood actually took place on the planet Zabatook.
" I know a few people who claim to be atheists and their speech is rather unclear, confused, in regards to their position."
Thats because they're talking about reality, something you have no experience with.
"No, I don't think I would vote for an atheist; and I will tell you why: if one doesn't believe in God, then one doesn't believe in oneself; and if one doesn't believe in itself, then one doesn't believe in the people; and if one doesn't believe in the people, one cannot serve it properly. I know a few people who claim to be atheists and their speech is rather unclear, confused, in regards to their position...and if a politician is atheist, you can bet that most of his decisions will be of remaining sat on the wall, like humpty dumpty."
In 1970, the British people elected the Conservative Party's leader Edward Heath as Prime Minister. He brought us into the EU.
He was an Atheist. We're now stronger as a result of his making us part of Europe industrially, commercially, financially, politically & militarily. We still exist.
A president who (like our former PM) is single, and doesn't believe in a God. Why not try it sometime, America? It won't kill you.
First, I think you missed quite a few steps in logic there, thus producing sense of void and logical leaps. Second, how to hell can someone be "atheist fundamentalist"? Check the dictionary for definition of fundamentalist, please. Third, humpty dumpty should have stayed on the wall. Fourth, how can you do anything against the will of almighty all-seeing being? Fifth, why am I all of a sudden making these leaps of logic?
" I know a few people who claim to be atheists and their speech is rather unclear, confused, in regards to their position."
"if a politician is atheist, you can bet that most of his decisions will be of remaining sat on the wall, like humpty dumpty."
Max, did you give them lessons in unclear, confused speech?
I know I exist. I know people exist.
I don't know whether any of the gods exist or not.
If a politician is atheist, his or her decisions will probably be of the here and now type, helping actual people having actual better lives. Not clamoring to usher in the Apocalypse, the End Time, like some of the supposed Christians in US government right now. I'd rather have the remaining on the wall than the pushing over the wall into total extinction and destruction.
Confused?
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