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11. Tim plays the Hitler card based on one or two of Hitler's angry, boastful, phony professions of faith which were designed to fool people, particularly Christian pastors. If Hitler was a Christian why did he:

1. Practice Occultism w/the rest of 3rd Reich?
2. Torture, mock and murder Christians and Jews?
3. Say you "can't be a German and a Christian"?
4. Lie like no one ever has? (Habitual liars will be punished according to Revelation 21:8)
5. Violate virtually every tenet of scripture in
his murderous crusade against the world. (..by their fruits you will know them. Matthew 7:20)
6. Believe evolution not creation? (The "master race" theory.)
7. And why is he not regarded as a Christian by any reputable theologian? Only atheists keep trying to put him in the Christian camp to try to even the score when someone points out all the 20th century tyrants who were atheist.
(8. Judas Iscariot professed to be a believer, too. He wasn't.)

Dave, AOL News 38 Comments [11/15/2007 2:15:02 AM]
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Joe

Neither fundie nor a darndest thing

11/15/2007 2:51:51 AM

Laurel

Because he wasn't a very GOOD Christian. DUH. You still don't get to disown him.

11/15/2007 3:03:59 AM



Not fundie but...

If he was not influenced by Christianity, why did Hitler:

1. Regularly quote from Martin Luther's On The Jews And Their Lies
2. Search out Christian relics to prove he was guided by God.
3. Use Christian imagery

The list could go on and on...

11/15/2007 3:25:51 AM



Well, because, apparently, he mentioned that He was doing God's job, signed a treaty with the Vatican and got his support from the German population, Christian, either protestant or Catholic, of the time. As it contradicts many of your points, care to revise your sources?. Not a reputable theologian.........only fundies theologians insist on the fact that Hitler was not Christian.

11/15/2007 4:02:27 AM

AJ

Who cares if Hitler was a christian? Who cares if Stalin was a atheist, for that matter? That doesn't say anything about christianity or atheism.

11/15/2007 4:40:53 AM

inmate22841


"Who cares if Hitler was a christian? Who cares if Stalin was a atheist, for that matter? That doesn't say anything about christianity or atheism."

That would be the case if Christians didn't keep pointing out Hitler as the prime example of why athiests are all evil.

11/15/2007 4:55:32 AM

Michael

Oh, I dunno. Maybe the same reason GW uses God as his excuse to bomb innocent people in Iraq and soon to be Iran?

11/15/2007 5:29:02 AM

Athar

Because thats what chritians do!

11/15/2007 5:42:07 AM

Scienceman123

1. Practice Occultism w/the rest of 3rd Reich?
Christianity and occultism are not mutually exclusive
2. Torture, mock and murder Christians and Jews?
They just were the "wrong" kind of Christian, that's all.
3. Say you "can't be a German and a Christian"?
When?
4. Lie like no one ever has? (Habitual liars will be punished according to Revelation 21:8)
Oh, and Christians never lie.
5. Violate virtually every tenet of scripture in
his murderous crusade against the world. (..by their fruits you will know them. Matthew 7:20)
Not nearly all of them.
6. Believe evolution not creation? (The "master race" theory.)
That is not evolution.
7. And why is he not regarded as a Christian by any reputable theologian? Only atheists keep trying to put him in the Christian camp to try to even the score when someone points out all the 20th century tyrants who were atheist.
They did not kill in the name of atheism
(8. Judas Iscariot professed to be a believer, too. He wasn't.)"
How do you know?

11/15/2007 5:42:36 AM

Evil Deadite

Not a fundie, just a religious person who does want to get lumped into the Hitler camp. Which is understandable.

The fun here is that this is a perfect example of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. Check it out, if you've never heard of it.

11/15/2007 5:54:59 AM

Mister Spak

That only shows Hitler behaves like a typical christian.

11/15/2007 6:31:48 AM

Garfield

why so much anger torwards Judas? If it wasn't for him, Jesus wouldn't have been crucified and without his martyr death and rising from the dead christianity never woud have come to pass ...

Judas did his part in the story.

And Hitler was a bad person, christian or not, he was crazy and evil!

11/15/2007 7:58:35 AM

Caustic Gnostic

(8. Judas Iscariot professed to be a believer, too. He wasn't.)

The Gospel of Judas disagrees with you. Try reading it sometime. There's some interesting shit in there that blows your "He Died For Your Sins" crap out of the water.

11/15/2007 8:03:50 AM

NonProphet

Except for one or two shining posts, that entire comments thread could make me weep for humanity.

11/15/2007 8:25:08 AM



If we start with "no true Scotchman" examples, at least don't use double standards. What about Ivan the Terrible?, isn't he a Christian either?.

11/15/2007 8:31:29 AM

Doctor Whom

Got mittens?

Oh, and Mein Kampf was unabashedly creationist.

11/15/2007 8:44:12 AM

Trovore

Ummmm....Judas Iscariot didn't believe in Jesus? Didn't he...oh I don't know, BETRAY Jesus for 30 pieces of silver? Hard to betray someone you don't even believe exists. Alls I'm sayin.

11/15/2007 9:06:33 AM

D Laurier

1. Because he and they didnt.
2.because he didnt.
3. Because he didnt. (Churchill said that one)
4. Because he didnt.
5Because he didnt and hadnt.
6. Because he didnt. (and there is no such theory)
7. Because he is. and they dont.
(8 Frodo Baggins carried the ring to the mountain)

11/15/2007 10:34:15 AM

APD


1. Practice Occultism w/the rest of 3rd Reich?

He never did, or at least we can't tell. He did have some crazy ideas on science and stuff, but nothing Occult.

2. Torture, mock and murder Christians and Jews?

Jews, yes he did, Christians, no he did not. Unless they fit any of his other persecution groups.

3. Say you "can't be a German and a Christian"?

He never said that. Replace "Christian" with "Jew" and you are correct.

4. Lie like no one ever has? (Habitual liars will be punished according to Revelation 21:8)

Because no Christian ever lies...

5. Violate virtually every tenet of scripture in
his murderous crusade against the world. (..by their fruits you will know them. Matthew 7:20)

Uh... The crusades? You know, the CHRISTIAN crusades which pretty much did the same thing but to Muslims?

6. Believe evolution not creation? (The "master race" theory.)

Hitler didn't believe evolution, rather Lamarckism twisted to his own belief system, IIRC. Also, you CAN be a Christian but also believe in evolution, Almost all the Christians I know do.

7. And why is he not regarded as a Christian by any reputable theologian? Only atheists keep trying to put him in the Christian camp to try to even the score when someone points out all the 20th century tyrants who were atheist.

Firstly, He wasn't a traditional Christian, he altered the religion for his own purposes, but he was still a Christian.

Secondly, It doesn't matter that Stalin was an Atheist or that Hitler was a Christian, neither were evil because of their religion. Stalin was insane and obsessed with achieving perfection in his country to disastrous lengths, Hitler was insane, bigoted and racist, and went to even more disastrous lengths. Neither had anything to do with religious beliefs.

(8. Judas Iscariot professed to be a believer, too. He wasn't.)"

... Read the Bible.

Also, most Anti-Semites were Christians, and that's a fact, even if Hitler wasn't. This doesn't mean that all Christians were bad, they aren't, but please accept that you aren't ALWAYS good if you're a Christian, that's prejudice.

11/15/2007 10:41:54 AM

JD

1) er... what? Christians are Christians, "dave". Gott Mit Uns, anyone?

2) They were "good christians". It was one of the excuses for doing this. You're demanding the same horrors with muslims, atheists, still occasionally jews, and all "not true christians" these days yourselves, fucktard.

3) On the contrary. Good little christians and good little brainwashed soldiers were the ones shoving a certain religion (among others of course) into certain camps of somewhat-less-pleasure-than-summer-camps...

4) "Lying for Jesus" anyone? Lying is Lying is Lying, despite the fundies rather severe habit of doing so but claiming its ok as long as they're the ones doing it.

5) That's certainly rare. I didn't think any fundies had ever READ anything other than Leviticus... They've certainly proven ignorant of jesus' actual words that's for sure...

6)Twisted interpretation, and also erroneous, seeing as blonde hair and blue eyes are RECESSIVE genes. Medicine wasn't all that advanced back then.

7)He's not regarded as a christian by the same kind of lying fuckwads that tried claiming foley was a democrat once they caught him trying to fuck some pageboys. "Oh, people know what he's been up to. He's no longer one of us." "No no! we can use this! he was NEVER one of us. He was really a jew/atheist/muslim/whatever all along!" "Good idea, let's start yelling that till they believe it!" "er, guys? isn't lying wrong? its what we keep say~" *BLAM*

11/15/2007 11:20:28 AM

Old Viking

He was born a Christian, brought up a Christian, sang in the choir of a monastery in his home town, and never disavowed his Christianity. That sort of --you know -- makes him a Christian. By why the fixation on old Adolf? Those people herding Jews and homosexuals and gypsies and political opponents and slavic "untermenschen" into gas chambers were God-fearing Catholics, Lutherans and Evangelicals virtually to a man.

11/15/2007 11:37:46 AM

Zoony The Lazoon

Guess which WW2 army had "God Is With Us" inscribed on their belt buckles.

(Clue: It wasn't in English.....or French.... or Russian

And there was an eagle sitting on a swastika immediately below it.)

11/15/2007 11:56:50 AM

Sideshow Bob

As much as I'd love to get us rid of him, I don't think we really can. This is a sad truth.

11/15/2007 4:23:44 PM

John

3. Say you "can't be a German and a Christian"?

Hermann Rauschning claimed in his book "Hitler Speaks" that Hitler said "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both." "Hitler Speaks" is regarded today as fraudulent. Rauschning had little personal contact with Hitler and seems simply to have invented much of the book's content.

6. Believe evolution not creation? (The "master race" theory.)

The "master race" theory didn't come from Darwin. It came from the principles of animal breeding, which was well-known long before Darwin. Don't creationists keep telling us that's only "microevolution"?

Hitler was a Christian by the common definition of the word. Whether he was a "Christian" by some personal definition Dave invented himself is known (and of interest) only to Dave.

11/15/2007 5:03:10 PM

Lt. Fred

1. Practice Occultism w/the rest of 3rd Reich?
Didn't. Some of his mates did, but he did not.
2. Torture, mock and murder Christians and Jews?
Killed Jews because he was Christian. Killed Christians for the same reason.
3. Say you "can't be a German and a Christian"?
Didn't.
4. Lie like no one ever has? (Habitual liars will be punished according to Revelation 21:8)
Like Kent Hovind?
5. Violate virtually every tenet of scripture in
his murderous crusade against the world. (..by their fruits you will know them. Matthew 7:20)
Like Yaweh?
6. Believe evolution not creation? (The "master race" theory.)
Wrong.
7. And why is he not regarded as a Christian by any reputable theologian?
No such thing.
Only atheists keep trying to put him in the Christian camp to try to even the score when someone points out all the 20th century tyrants who were atheist.
THEY COMMITTED CRIMES FOR OTHER REASONS THAN THEIR ATHEISM!

11/15/2007 6:19:32 PM

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