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As a Christian, I think it's time to rid ourselves of this notion of freedom of religion in America.

Now that I have your attention, let me take a moment to make my case. Freedom of religion has become the biggest hoax placed upon the Christian people and on our Christian nation.

When reading the writings of our Founding Founders, there was never any reference to freedom of religion referring to a choice between Islam, Hindu, Satanism, Wicca and whatever other religions or cults you would like to dream up. It was very clear that freedom to worship meant the freedom to worship the God of the Bible in the way you wanted, and not to have a government church denomination dictate how you would worship.

Christianity, by its own definition, does not allow freedom of religion. A Christian is defined as a follower of Jesus Christ.


Al Bedrosian, The Roanoke Times (roanoke.com) 78 Comments [8/14/2007 12:55:07 AM]
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Prager

Dear Al Bedrosian,

It is very clear from your statement that you have never read anything written by any of the founding fathers. If you had, you would know that they were almost all agnostics or deists (and probably a few closet atheists as well). Also, to state that your country is a christian nation is to ignore the history of the nation (an ability you readily demonstrate with your earlier assertions). The founding principles of your country were strictly humanist in nature - life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are most definitely not christian or even religious concepts.

8/14/2007 1:06:23 AM

Raven Blackhawk

As a human being, I think it's time to laugh at your dumb ass for saying some stupid shit.

"It was very clear that freedom to worship meant the freedom to worship the God of the Bible in the way you wanted,..."

Freedom of religion means every religion, and that was exactly what our founding fathers wanted. Not once did they specifically say that christianity was the only religion allowed to be practiced in America.

"....and not to have a government church denomination dictate how you would worship."

Excuse me, but it seems to me that you're advocating just that. You WANT to dictate what the rest of us believe in, or rather, what we should believe in.

Christianity may not allow freedom of religion, but this country does, so shut the fuck up.

8/14/2007 1:13:53 AM

ArmandT

The constitution says 'freedom of religion', not freedom of Christianity.

Besides, didn't Jesus talk of tolerance? What did those people of other religions ever do to you? America is a multi-cultural society, like it or not, and without them, the country would be sent in a economic downward spiral. See how you like it then.

8/14/2007 1:16:17 AM

Brian X

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

No religious test shall be required for office.

Treaty of Tripoli (don't forget, treaties have constitutional force) and the letter to the Danbury Baptists reinforce it.

14th amendment makes sure that a religious faction in an individual state can't slip it under the wire despite Federal law.

I know Armenians have traditionally been deeply religious people, but the bulk of Armenians I've known (including a few relatives) have been eminently reasonable and good people as well. Al Bedrosian ought to just change his name to Peterson so he doesn't shame the Armenian-American community even further with his stupidity.

8/14/2007 1:16:17 AM

Mike

So much wrong there...

8/14/2007 1:19:23 AM

Mac

An average rating of 200000003, yet it's still not high enough for this guy.

8/14/2007 1:25:27 AM

BlackWolfe

Because I'm certain these people are unfamiliar with the Treaty of Tripoli, here's the article in question:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

8/14/2007 1:26:05 AM

agentCDE

I've said it before, but it needs repeating:

"Freedom of My Religion" fails.

So.

Fucking.

Hard.

8/14/2007 1:27:36 AM

Winston Jen

Ah, the good old "free will, as long as it's my will" rhetoric. Oh joy.

8/14/2007 1:54:17 AM

anti-nonsense

TREATY OF TRIPOLI BITCH!

8/14/2007 2:05:21 AM

Jesus was a homosexual

You know, Al, you're absolutely right.
We need to abolish this hoax known as freedom of religion.

Let's just make all religions outlawed. No religion at all.
Would that make you happy?

8/14/2007 2:06:23 AM

Freboy

20th century USA is clearly wrong place and time for this guy. You should have been lived in 12th centuty France or something.

8/14/2007 2:27:26 AM

dpareja

Cam we make up an "Insert Head A Into Anus B Award" or something like that for this guy?

8/14/2007 2:38:45 AM

Robbie

anti-nonsense beat me to it!

Pssh. I shall do it anyway!

TREATY OF TRIPOLI MOTHERFUCKER!

*See what I did there?*

8/14/2007 2:51:58 AM

TrickTrack

"Insert Head A Into Anus B Award"

8/14/2007 3:26:07 AM

Goosey

The Arabic version of the Treaty of Tripoli lacked that text. That implies to me it was less 'please stop hating on America for being a Christian nation' and more of an internal memorandum. But watch some fundie now try and twist that into "See? The Treaty of Tripoli doesn't say that after all!"

I've heard the whole gamut of interpretations of 'freedom of religion' from "what the founding fathers meant by freedom of religion was freedom from religion" to "the founding fathers were slightly personally reluctant about freedom of religion, but knew that it was necessary, both in terms of human rights, and in terms of what America was supposed to stand for".

I have also heard ad nauseum that the founding fathers made America a Christian nation, but that is curiously the only point of view I have never heard backed up with citations.

8/14/2007 3:38:46 AM

Laurel

The sheer piggishness of this! "It isn't enough to be in the majority religion, I want the whole damned sandbox for me and my friends. There's room for everybody, but people who don't think just like me have cooties!"

8/14/2007 3:57:26 AM

dpareja

Show me a fundie who's OK with people holding other religions, and I'll show you many more fundies who will say the first one isn't a real fundie.

As for the sandbox analogy, to extend it: "And they'd every one of them take over the sandbox if they could!" I think they're forgetting that Jesus said "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" (or something like that) instead of "Do unto others as they would do unto you."

8/14/2007 4:28:27 AM

szena

Al Bedrosian ought to just change his name to Peterson so he doesn't shame the Armenian-American community even further with his stupidity.

Hey, don't go insulting the Scandinavian-American community like that!

8/14/2007 5:29:44 AM

anevilmeme

The America is a Christian Nation myth .....yawn........

8/14/2007 5:40:56 AM

Doctor Whom

"Christianity, by its own definition, does not allow freedom of religion."

That's why freedom of religion (as understood by the founders, not by you) is so important.

8/14/2007 6:06:55 AM

Dombag

Now that I have your attention, let me take a moment to make my case. A Chritian nation has become the biggest hoax placed upon the American people and their nation that allows freedom of religion.

8/14/2007 6:51:38 AM

Zoony The Lazoon

If you really want to live in a theocracy, then why not emigrate to Iran?

ZTL

8/14/2007 7:52:50 AM

NonProphet

The Constitution, the Supreme Court, the Treaty of Tripoli, and Thomas Jefferson say differently.

Try again.

8/14/2007 7:53:07 AM

Mister Spak

At least he's honest, even though he's a traitor to America.

8/14/2007 8:01:59 AM

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