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God isn't forcing His love upon us. If He did then we would have no choice but to love Him. He'd be taking away our free will. So He's giving us a choice. Love Him and your reward is Heaven. Reject Him and condemn yourself to Hell. They are the two options God has presented us with and the ONLY two options. Remember God doesn't send us to hell, we condemn ourselves to hell. You give your wife a choice, "stay with me and we'll spend the rest of our lives together or go your away and never see me again". Are we as Christians afraid of Hell? Very much so, but it's necessary for us to keep our love in the Lord or risk losing faith.

russell182, POD Warrior Forum 19 Comments [8/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Amos

I didn't know it was standard practice to set your wife on fire if she leaves.

1/2/2007 6:08:53 AM

[url=http://tinyurl.com/ya3433]Sanity[/url]

Sort of like a mugger who comes up and says, \"Gimme your money or I'll kill you.\" Some choice.

1/2/2007 6:17:24 AM

Eric the Blue

Ignoring thr fact that a loving god would never sent anyone to unending torment...

1/2/2007 9:11:54 AM

Reverend Davidius

This does make sense. I lost the fear and lost the faith in short order, yet I don't feel anything missing from my life.

2/1/2008 7:12:03 AM

Heather

Hmm, maybe it's just the way you're presenting your argument but it's not really coming across as us having a choice.

2/1/2008 10:34:59 AM

Hawker Hurricane

God, the abusive parent.

2/1/2008 12:29:46 PM

Hasher

Actually some separated and/or divorced couples remain amicable, just not married.

2/1/2008 12:51:33 PM

JasoNF

Actually the analogy is more like, you give your wife a choice, "stay with me and we'll spend the rest of our lives together or try to leave and I'll chain you up in the basement and torture you for the rest of your life."

In heaven this is "holiness", on Earth "psychosis".

2/1/2008 3:47:18 PM

AnnAnnA

oh, so their is a choice? what choice? believe or burn in hell? great choice....really, wow God is really great giving us all that free will and all

2/20/2008 10:57:28 AM

Kaostheory

I like this quote. "Allowing anyone to suffer ultimate torment for all eternity--particularly when it is within your power to prevent it--is arguably the greatest form of evil possible." -TO

2/20/2008 11:06:30 AM

Monty

The robber analogy has already been pointed out. But in the last two sentences russel blows the bottom out of his argument. He admits the idea of Hell i supposed to scare christians into loving god. This implies that christians are so weak in faith that only being terrorized by hell will they love god. God in his own right is evidently not enough.

2/20/2008 11:14:12 AM

BrotherofZeus

Ah, but in most cases your wife isn't TORTURED FOREVER by your absense (or in even more fundamentalist groups, set on fire). So your analogy isn't the best one.

8/30/2009 3:31:11 PM

Passerby

Do absolutely everything I say, unquestioningly, without hesitation, or consideration of morality or consequence... Of your own free will. Or it's fire, torture, and pig shit. Forever. And it's up to your sorry mortal and unquestioningly faithful ass to sort out what I your one and only God am telling you to do as opposed to what my many manipulative middlemen are paraphrasing.

2/8/2011 8:14:44 PM

JSS

[You give your wife a choice, "stay with me and we'll spend the rest of our lives together or go your away and never see me again".]

Your analogy works if you're talking about, say, Pakistani Muslim marriages where husbands oftentimes burn their wives to death when they don't submit. Well actually, death is involved in that scenario so even that doesn't work either.

[Are we as Christians afraid of Hell? Very much so, but it's necessary for us to keep our love in the Lord or risk losing faith.]

You can't love someone if you're afraid if what they'll do to you if you don't. Do you think all 20+ million North Koreans actually love Kim Jong Il?

7/5/2011 7:25:30 PM



“He'd be taking away our free will. So He's giving us a choice. Love Him and your reward is Heaven. Reject Him and condemn yourself to Hell. They are the two options God has presented us with and the ONLY two options.”

It sounds like he’s already taken away your free will, then. Someone with truly free will has far more than two options, and none of them are enforced through such blatant coercion.

7/5/2011 7:35:55 PM

LordMu

Obey me or suffer for eternity. Not that I'm trying to force my love upon you or anything. 'cause making people suffer for eternity is loving, right?

9/18/2011 12:09:20 PM

Kanna

So god is just mind control? That explains a lot about fundies. Btw, is your wife still with you?

12/11/2016 12:23:45 PM

Anon-e-moose

Does Saudi Arabia execute those for parking in the wrong place, or for a speeding ticket...?

If your answer is the only one possible, then thank you for admitting that - and in the country where only ultra-orthodox Wahhabi Islam is allowed - Allah is Merciful: and more so than your deity, rustledjimmies(IQ)1.82. [/Mister Spak]

Infinite punishments for finite crimes; are parking offenders & speeders executed in your country...?!

@Kanna

David J. Pedo's been asking himself that question of late. Methinks when the alimony & child support is due...!

12/11/2016 11:28:01 PM



God sounds rather abusive there

3/13/2018 10:03:39 AM

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