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What you can show using physics, forces this universe to continue to exist, as long as you're using general relativity, and quantum mechanics, you are forced to conclude that God exists.

God exists. God is a cosmological singularity. I am not being blasphemous, I'm just following in the ancient tradition in saying science puts the tenents of religion up to the experimental test and we find that God exists.

Frank J. Tipler, Professor of mathematical physics at Tulane University, New Orleans, You Tube 43 Comments [5/8/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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What? Both QM and GR are completely counterintuitive and should surely be evidence against the idea of a perfect God designing the universe.

5/8/2007 11:50:50 AM


'God is a cosmological singularity'?
Not an omniscient, omnipotent being?

5/8/2007 12:07:09 PM

Tiny Bulcher

I wasn't previously aware that floodwater damaged the cerebral cortex.

5/8/2007 12:12:52 PM


Tipler is an interesting guy...

5/8/2007 1:03:58 PM


That's the problem with using the word God. I don't think Professor Tipler had the bible-god in mind, but something greater. When one approaches the Singularity, there's little chioce but to enter the mystical realm.

Welcome aboard, Professor, and I would recommend using a better handle for the Spirit of the singularity.

5/8/2007 1:15:07 PM

David S.

Puck: Tipler did have the Christian God in mind. His latest book is 'The Physics of Christianity'. The first chapter is on his website. He states that physics can be used to prove the divinity of Jesus and the 'End Times' will happpen within fifty years.

5/8/2007 1:58:47 PM


I don't know that I'd call him a fundie. Tipler is his own brand of crazy, probably closer to L. Ron Hubbard that Jerry Falwell.

5/8/2007 2:26:12 PM


I see the post has been removed from you tube by the user. Did Prof. Tipler actually write \"tenents\", or was that just a transcription error?

5/8/2007 2:45:10 PM


I once heard of a physicist that he believes there is something one might call \"god\" because the physics of today make no sense when applied on big bang or the gnab gib (the collapse of the universe after the point where all mass reverses it's current movement and starts to fall into one single point).
Pretty stupid, I think. That our equations make no sense in some cases should not mean there are no better equations or explanations and our physics are perfect; it's the other way round. Hey, humanity is doing physics with pen and paper for about 400 years now, that's nothing!

5/8/2007 2:51:51 PM


God is a cosmological singularity

That would explain his whereabouts when Katrina was merrily devouring the school you teach at.


5/8/2007 3:41:01 PM


Sounds to me like he's gone a bit cuckoo.

5/8/2007 3:48:16 PM

Angel Kaida

Oops, looks like Tipler broke his brain. Glad I didn't end up going to Tulane University.

5/8/2007 4:41:23 PM


This is why when it comes down to it, there are no atheists.
If you (re)define God as being a cosmological singularity, then even Richard Dawkins and Bertrand Russell would be theists.
However, singularities have little or nothing in common with anyone's idea of God, so Tipler should stay within his own area of expertise and avoid Theology in the future.

5/8/2007 4:41:28 PM


God exists. God is a cosmological singularity.

Uh . . . God is a black hole?

Either he's talking about some other kind of singularity, or I am reeeeally confused. Or both.


5/8/2007 6:12:24 PM


This guy is actually serious and has some okay reasons. He has a \"perfect\" solution to general relativity he claims requires an initial observer or somesuch crap because of QM. Without his observer the initial state quantum waveform couldn't collapse into the singularity which precipitated the big bang.
Congratulations to him, he somehow solved what physicists have spend the last 90 years trying to solve in vain.
I don't accept his solutions but he's not some creationist quack so cut the guy some slack.
It's not really very fundie just out of context.

[edit] Oh it's Tipler, my bad I thought it was someone else. This guy IS a quack but I reckon he just does it to make money.

5/8/2007 7:05:42 PM

Captain Janeway

Batshit insane...

5/8/2007 7:40:09 PM


Of course God exists. I define God as my mousepad. My mousepad exists, therefore God exists. Brilliant.

5/8/2007 8:27:31 PM


But the Big Bang...the singularity expanded. So we're in essence \"living inside\" God? God ate us?!

Then again, there are the more common black hole singularities. I guess I'll go pagan, then.

5/8/2007 10:19:49 PM


What you can show using physics, forces this universe to continue to exist, as long as you're using general relativity, and quantum mechanics, you are forced to conclude that God exists.

God? Why not Gods? And why does He still have to exist? Even if this theory were valid, his conclusions are nonsense, or at least sloppy.

5/8/2007 11:20:39 PM


then where is god?

5/9/2007 7:03:38 AM

Madame Scarlet

Where is he, then? Show me your studies proving he exists.

5/9/2007 1:06:27 PM


Tipler is an interesting guy...

You're not kidding.

Tipler claims to prove the existence of life after death, provided by an artificial intelligence he calls the \"Omega Point\" and which he identifies with God. The line of argument is that the evolution of intelligent species will enable scientific progress to grow exponentially, eventually enabling control over the universe even on the largest possible scale. Tipler predicts that this process will culminate with a nearly all-powerful artificial intelligence whose computing speed and information storage will grow exponentially at a rate exceeding the collapse of the Universe, thus providing infinite \"virtual time\" which will be used to run computer simulations of all intelligent life that has ever lived in the history of our universe. This virtual reality exercise is what Tipler means by \"the resurrection of the dead.\"

He's read too much science fiction and not enough science.

5/9/2007 3:03:22 PM


In that case, I wonder why we spent so much time living in caves, instead of inventing our godly IT civilisation.

5/9/2007 4:24:26 PM


Not particularly fundie IMO.

5/9/2007 4:43:09 PM


From the wikipedia article on tipler:
\"Tipler's writings on scientific peer review have been cited by William A. Dembski as forming the basis of the process for review in the intelligent design journal Progress in Complexity, Information and Design of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design, where both Tipler and Dembski serve as fellows.\"

Dembski and Tipler are fellows of The Discovery Institute - an offshoot of the (now nearly defunct) neo-con \"thinktank\" PNAC.

The Discovery Institute is the outfit that cooked up the whole idea of stripping creationism of all its constitutionally questionable content and calling it \"Intelligent Design\" in an attempt to have it accepted in public schools. Thankfully, the Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District ruling pretty much killed that idea.

5/9/2007 4:59:34 PM

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