Quote# 23844

The first thing to keep in mind is that pro-lifers don’t do abortions. If abortion were outlawed today and illegal abortionists started springing up next week, every one of them would be someone who is pro-choice. In fact, every woman who was ever killed or maimed during an abortion – whether it was legal or illegal – was killed or maimed by someone who was pro-choice. In other words, when the abortion lobby says, “If abortion is made illegal, women will die,” what they’re actually saying is, “If you stop us from killing babies, we’re going to start killing women.”

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catholicwifeandmom, CARM.org 27 Comments [4/18/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Mike

Or quack doctors who have no idea wtf they're doing. But hey, blame it on hsi for no reason.

4/17/2007 10:44:02 PM

Osiris

Wait....what?!?

4/18/2007 4:47:55 AM

Lunalelle

The first half was common sense.

The second half was buh?

4/18/2007 4:55:28 AM

Brainy

The first thing to keep in mind is that pro-lifers don’t do abortions.

Executions, on the other hand, they're all over that.

4/18/2007 5:40:59 AM

Redhunter

Of course the first line is correct; but that's kind of like saying the only people who drink alcohol are not teetotalers, I mean 'Duh'.

But you're missing the big picture. The demand is NOT going to go away. It IS going to happen anyway. Making abortion illegal is the same as making guns, booze and drugs illegal has been, it turns underground and it still happens. And the reason for it going to back-alleys and the shame attached to the whole thing comes from all-or-nothing retards like you who force this to happen.

4/18/2007 5:52:53 AM

Mister Spak

What anti abortionists are actually saying is, if you have the abortion that is against my religion, I'll kill you.

4/18/2007 5:52:58 AM

Brian X

Hm. Start with a truism, move on to \"when did you stop beating your wife?\"

4/18/2007 5:56:27 AM

NotMe

pro-lifers don’t do abortions.


Because we all know that there aren't any hypocrites in the world.

In fact, every woman who was ever killed or maimed during an abortion – whether it was legal or illegal – was killed or maimed by someone who was pro-choice.


And anyone who was ever maimed or killed in an ICU was killed or maimed by hospital staff. Your point being? Accidents or complications make proc-choice doctors murderers because the woman died? It's not as if they set out to kill her. That's the pro-life'ers piece of the cake.

4/18/2007 5:57:27 AM

Wet Walnuts

Someone doesn't understand the concept of \"unintended consequences\".

4/18/2007 8:20:10 AM

Blue Lithium

If you stop us from killing babies, we’re going to start killing women.\"

Nop, what they are saying is, \"If you ban abortion, it will happen anyway. But because proper medical facilies are not available to perform abortion, the only choice women will have is to find someone to do a back-alley abortion. And back-alley abortions are done in unsafe conditions, leading to more women's deaths.\"

4/18/2007 8:38:44 AM

Matilde

Just tell me this. By this analogy, we should adopt the Chinese law and make any doctor accountable for their patience dead?, don´t you believe that those deaths are not premeditated?.

4/18/2007 8:54:50 AM

Laurel

Bullshit. Abortion providers say pro-lifers get abortions all the time. They sometimes abuse the abortion providers afterward, or go right back to picketing the clinic, or call the other women in the waiting room whores, but when they or their daughters need the procedure, they have it done. Choice is OK when it's them, because they're special and godly.

4/18/2007 9:31:34 AM

anevilmeme

If you are truely pro-life wouldn't the best solution be to make sure contraceptives are available and young men & women know how to properly use them? Oh wait, I'm talking to a fundie..... nevermind.

4/18/2007 10:11:01 AM

Sarah

*cough* bullshit *cough*

I work in the pro-choice movement, and I can tell you RIGHT NOW that tons of anti-choice people come in and access abortion services all the time, often before and after being on the picket line trying to prevent others from accessing the very services they just used.

4/18/2007 11:10:54 AM

pauline

http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html

(sorry, I can't get the hyperlink to work!)

4/18/2007 11:40:48 AM

Old Viking

It can't be stopped. Any other consideration is simply commentary.

4/19/2007 1:03:50 AM

Aristotle

Hey Pauline,

Thanks for the link, I had no idea about this. I often get crap for being pro-abortion when my Catholic friends regularly picket abortion clinics.

4/19/2007 1:29:19 AM

anti-nonsense

no what we are actually saying is \"women should have the right to control their own lives and their own bodies and they should have the right to do it in a safe way\".

4/19/2007 2:17:47 AM

Papabear

\"The first thing to keep in mind is that pro-lifers don’t do abortions.\"

Uh huh. Would you like me to make a big note of that and staple it to your forehead? I mean, something as complicated as that could slip your mind.


\"If abortion were outlawed today and illegal abortionists started springing up next week, every one of them would be someone who is pro-choice.\"

Yeah, duh.


\"In fact, every woman who was ever killed or maimed during an abortion – whether it was legal or illegal – was killed or maimed by someone who was pro-choice.\"

Indeed. And, all those women killed or maimed during pregnancy and child birth were maimed and killed by motherhood.


\"In other words, when the abortion lobby says, 'If abortion is made illegal, women will die,' what they’re actually saying is, 'If you stop us from killing babies,\"

Except that abortion doesn't kill babies.


\"we’re going to start killing women.'\"

No, it means you are going to force desperate women to make desperate choices which will result in more of them dying than if you had STFU and minded your own business.

4/19/2007 2:32:43 AM

Phil

If you stop us from killing babies, we’re going to start killing women

strawman, anyone?

4/19/2007 7:26:20 PM

JD

not \"abortions\", nooooo. They just non-hypocritically take their teen daughter to a clinic across state lines about that \"flu\" she caught, to avoid any embarassment that would surely occur if the other families in the parish found out that daddy's little girl wasn't the perfectly innocent little angel they claim her to be. Reputation's important you know.

Then it seems to be perfectly ok even for some anti-choice folk.

REAL \"pro life\" folk wouldn't be for the death penalty, illegal wars and removal of human rights \"as long as they're not white and \"true christians\" of course\", and against medical research, medicare and anything that doesn't suit them personally.

4/20/2007 1:59:13 PM

TheMissus

Doctors who oppose abortion don't perform abortions. Wow, what amazing brain power it took to come to that obvious conclusion.

4/20/2007 4:15:07 PM

Current

Every back-alley abortionist being pro-choice doesn't imply every person that is pro-choice is a back-alley abortionist.

4/20/2007 10:00:04 PM

Adrian

Thanks for the link, Pauline. I had seen it in the past, but I had forgotten to bookmark it.

4/21/2007 6:16:49 AM


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