Quote# 21784

If you were to create a game/competition.
It is you who has sole right to make the rules, being the creator of the game.
You could stipulate that the contestants could make the rules up as they whent, rules that might help the free flow of the game or cause the game to come to a halt , but then you have already made a rule(there is no rules).
You could create rules, then the contestants being free willed could breake the rules because it suited them, you as the games creator at this point could
A:disqualify all cheating contestants,
B:turn a blind eye to the cheating
C: create a new rule that over writes the first rules
So the game will work as long as your rules are followed and every thing here would be well within your rite as the creator because it is your game.
This system works with games created by a collective group as long as the governing body is in agreement with each other, but when one dissagrees with the rules and has their own ideas the a slightly different game is invented

Atheism is different to this.
Atheism says there is no ultimate governing body over this game we call life, we are all playing our own "game" making up our own rules as we go along. If this were the case we would have no right to critisize or dictate the rules to another, for their "game" is there own created by them selfs. If someone violates the rules of your game, that is they are living by their own rules, in the eyes of the atheist it cannot be immoral.
Most atheists though cannot live like this, because they cannot live without at least some of there own rules being followed. and like wise society cannot exist if there werent rules handed down from a higher authority, namely God
For it is only the creator who has the exclusive right to impose rules. It would be immoral for a man or a society to impose rules on a nother man unless they were handed down from the creator of this world.

justinjrussell, CARM 25 Comments [3/7/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Seriously justinjrussell, do you even know what you're talking about?

3/8/2007 12:22:04 AM

Norb Bippus

What a shitty analogy. Whatever he is trying to prove it comes across as almost the opposite.

3/8/2007 12:23:31 AM


Does anybody really bother to read posts that ramble on as long as this one?

3/8/2007 12:49:59 AM


Theoritcally yes. But if you intend to live in a functioning society with other people, someone is going to have to make the rules, and in this case it's us humans.

3/8/2007 2:01:46 AM


Bad analogy.

3/8/2007 2:03:45 AM

Old Viking

Thanks for running us through that, Justin, whatever it may be.

3/8/2007 2:18:00 AM



3/8/2007 2:21:59 AM


That's so utterly nonsensical, for so many reasons, that it's nothing more than a joke.

3/8/2007 2:44:12 AM


Life as Calvinball. I like it.

3/8/2007 3:00:25 AM


3/8/2007 6:29:01 AM


Making Shit Up As You Go Along award?

3/8/2007 6:35:57 AM


If by being the 'god' of the game, you gave teh contestants the ability to disobey your rules, then why are you surprised? YOU made them and filled them with the charectoristics that they display, why would you feel the need to keep imposing rules and baiting them?

You don't understand atheism, and you don't understand the word 'immoral'. You lose. Bet you know what THAT word means though.

3/8/2007 7:47:35 AM


Utterly retarded analogy. Its been shown over and over that kids in the playground, even at a young age, quickly start to develop rules that ensure fair play. Yes, that's right, on their own. They don't always make much sense to outsiders, some might even be slightly contradictory, but if you let them work it out, they'll actually smooth things over pretty well as they grow up and learn to do so!

There's always a handful of greedy little bastards who want everthing to go THEIR way at all times though.

\"Strangely\" enough, the latter tend to start spouting stuff about god first, in order to get what they want...

3/8/2007 7:51:07 AM


Since the master of the game is not seen and everybody has to \"rely\" on the interpretation of the rules others do, I don´t see what´s the problem with atheists making their own \"rules\"

3/8/2007 11:30:14 AM

Mister Spak

Since there is no creator of a game, none of this matters.

3/8/2007 1:36:33 PM



3/8/2007 2:28:00 PM


Not the worst analogy I've ever seen, but you certainly forgot that, in your version of the creation story, your god never asked us whether we wanted to play at all, whether by his rules or not, or what forefits we'd be willing to risk. Furthermore, changing the rules halfway through the game because you were too stupid to think them out properly at the beginning ruins everything. Besides, civilised people agree on rules that are satisfactory to all of them beforehand, compete on a fair basis, walk away friends afterwards, and are usually happy to have a rematch.

By your analogy, christians play the game of life like they were in a vegas casino, where the odds are massively in favour of the house, losers are kicked into the street, and, of course, the only way to make money from roulette (as everyone knows) is to work for the casino.

The average rational humanist would probably prefer a friendly game of, say, chess or go, without prizes or forefits. Sure, the point of the game is to win, but it's the struggle and the challenge that you really relish.

3/8/2007 2:28:03 PM


Boy, remind me never to play a board game with you Justin, you sound like a cheat!

3/9/2007 2:06:49 AM

D Laurier

Because atheism says none of the things that you are claiming it says.
Indeed atheism says nothing.

3/9/2007 3:20:25 AM


I've seen a few episodes of Meercat Manor, and I've seen how organized and social those little guys are. They babysit new pups, groom each other, warn each other of danger, punish each other when they get out of line, etc.

I haven't seen the episode where they were introduced to the teachings of Christ, though. But it MUST have happened, or they would all just try to eat each other and have sex with their brothers and sisters and parents.

7/21/2009 7:19:15 AM


All atheism believes, to use your analogy, is that there is no one "up there" making up rules for us - not that there are no rules. Instead, we can use general consensus to agree on rules or appoint someone to make them. For an example, see ANY SOCIAL INTERACTION EVER.

5/11/2014 10:01:02 PM


You might have the right to create the rules, but as the game continues, it will evolve on its own, and other rules will be included, new and perhaps better rules. Old rules will be discarded as useless or detrimental.

The contestants, being a larger number than you, can disqualify you for being an insufferable dictator. But, as it's only a game, you can end it whenever it doesn't make sense anymore and play something else.

The only thing atheism is saying is that there (probably) are no gods. Period. End of story. That's it.
Science, on the other hand, is saying that all social animals have evolved cooperation for the greater good, and empathy for those around us, especially the young and those in need.

Sure, it might not be "immoral" to violate other people's games/lives. But it IS illegal, as all countries have laws that the citizens are supposed to follow.

Judging by the fact that there are several creator gods, and there have been even more of them throughout history, it seems more probable that we created them, than that they created us. Before you ask/state; no, your god is not the oldest one, sorry.

Human rights, which we now see as the more important rules, are not important at all according to the Bible, the Koran, the Torah or any other religious book, so it seems we HAVE imposed rules that were not handed down from the creator of this world.

5/11/2014 11:23:21 PM


Are you a citizen of any country? Then you have governing bodies. Follow the law, please, since you don't seem to have a good grasp of morality and the "golden rule".

12/6/2017 7:59:07 PM

Philbert McAdamia

For the sins you have committed on grammar and spelling
I wish a fundy hell for you -- a library, until you learn something.
In other words, forever.

12/6/2017 8:13:52 PM


Speaking as an id Software nerd: iddqd

12/7/2017 8:23:13 AM

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