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Swordsman

If I remember correctly, drinking human blood is not halal.

Papabear

Klaus -- I seek no compromise with religious persons concerning religious issues. If I say 2+2=4 and some one else contends it is 6, we are no better off if we agree it is 5. If a religious person thinks that believing that nailing some guy to a tree 2000 years ago atoned for his transgressions, that's nuts. Resurrection of a 3 day dead corpse, and it's rising into paradise, is nuts. And being nuts is being mentally ill.

Fed Up

\"Resurrection of a 3 day dead corpse, and it's rising into paradise, is nuts. And being nuts is being mentally ill.\"

Christianity isn't the only religion...

Also, is gullibility really a mental illness? Should we hospitalise people with apparently undesirable personality traits?

Papabear

Fed Up -- I agree. Name a religion that doesn't contain supernatural nonsense.

Gullibility to the extent that one believes the supernatural is real may, indeed, deserve some form of treatment.

Fed Up

Papabear- The term 'supernatural' is a fairly loose one. Not so long ago, lightning was considered to be supernatural, but only because humanity didn't understand it.

Until science has answered every question, you can't completely blame people for believing in religion.

Also, as for mental illness- your comment implies that the majority of the world's population is in need of mental therapy. It's a bit egotistical, in some ways.

Mister Spak

How can we get their fundies and our fundies to kill each other? Can we put them an an island somewhere? Maybe that island where we were supposed to put gays?

Redhunter

I posted this in response to the 'christianity is a mental illness' post of last week.

Supernatural IS a bit of a loose term, but seriously, we are talking about miracle of the bible that can either be explained away, or are contrary to the laws of physics.

Is resurrection from the dead possible? Not on your life. If it ever IS possible, it is NOT going to be the same as the stories from the bible. Miracles were performed by jesus, prophets and god, not with the use of medical science.
I agree with Papabear; all religions that believe in supernatural religions are deluded people. Delusions accompanied by no other psychological disorders, or other disorders that are central to the delusional belief, religion, are considered mental illness. The belief in unprovable and farfetched stories that butt heads with reality are believed over empiracal and tangible evidence. That is delusion, delusion is a mental illness.

This shows that there are extremes in each religion, but even at it's basic idealogy, religion for the most part invites and expects you to believe in things that are contrary to ones own experiences and intellect.

And after all of that, if the religious person doesn't know exactly why they follow religion A as opposed to religon B, then it doesn't even follow logic or reason, merely geography and social preferances.

Belief in the Easter bunny by a three year old, is not a mental illness. That same belief at 23 most definately is.

Brain_In_A_Jar

How can we get their fundies and our fundies to kill each other? Can we put them an an island somewhere? Maybe that island where we were supposed to put gays?

Mister Spak, I'm afraid the fundies just outnumber us by far too great a ratio, and there aren't any islands big enough. I suggest we build a fleet of space ships, colonise the moon, and wait it out up there, out of the way.

Or maybe I've been reading Asimov's \"The Gods Themselves\" too much.

BonzaiRob

1) Dublin = not Britain.

2) I'm from Britain. Never heard of any of these people. The public face of Islamic extremism is Abu Hamzar (and he has an eyepatch and a hook for a hand, come one!)

In conclusion, what teh fuck was this doing on CNN? I thought they were a good news company.

Ah well.

Tarito

> What are Muslims supposed to do when they are being killed in the streets in Afghanistan and Baghdad and Palestine? Do they not have the same rights to defend themselves?

Well, most of the poor souls killed in Bagdad for example were in fact killed by other Muslims. And if you and your kind didn't teach young impressionable Muslims to kill there'd be less dead people. It kind of makes sense. But of course, you're a homicidal maniac and don't really care.

And, in the meanwhile, as the courageous muslim in the crowd pointed out, you´re total parasites living in your golden West that you, apparently, despite so much.

Anonymous Tau

Niice, I finally see a moderate muslim. Good on him.

In a related matter, I think all ideology could be classified as some kind of mental illness.

Wozza

@ Papabear & others:

Nonsense. Humans are spiritual, emotional beings who thrive on the intagable and unprovable. One of our strongest motivations, hope, is an intrinsic part of what makes us human, what keeps us going. That hope is often based on nothing but faith that 'things will get better'. Another characteristic is trust, also based to a varying extent on faith. Our relationship as children with our parents, placing ourselves compleatly in their care, loving them absolutley and assuming love in return, is also based wholy on faith, and prepares us for a society in which having faith in the goodness or humanity of others plays a central part. Even those treated appallingly by others will still often retain enough hope or faith to rebuild their relationships.

These are amoung the characteristics which make us human, and which allow us, as social animals, to live together.

Believing in a benevolent, caring God is, in my view, simply an extension of the very characteristics which we all exercise. Given the way we raise our young, it is hardly surprising that we feel a sense of peace when we re-create that relationship through religon. Our very humanity predisposes us towards it.

If having faith in something, despite not having evidence, is a sign of mental illness, then I'm afraid anyone who trusts or has hope in any context, without firm evidence to fully and logically confirm that trust or hope, needs to see a doctor.

That is not to say that funamentalisim in all its forms is not a sign of serious mental imbalance, especially when scientific evidence is ignored, but to suggest that ALL religous people are 'mentally ill' is to miss the point - we all have faith in the intangable, some just more than others.

Anon-e-moose

"What are Muslims supposed to do when they are being killed in the streets in Afghanistan and Baghdad and Palestine? Do they not have the same rights to defend themselves?"

Oh, I dunno. You could always... go and join your brothers and sisters in Afghanistan, Baghdad and Palestine, and help defend themselves. Amirite?

Oh yes, that's right. It's an entirely different matter dealing with people who can fight back with M-16s and SA-80s against AK-47s.

So go on, take up the Jihad against the infidel oppressors in Afghanistan, Baghdad and Palestine.

...thought not.

@Mister Spak

"How can we get their fundies and our fundies to kill each other? Can we put them an an island somewhere?"

Ever seen the Japanese films (based on the manga) "Battle Royale"?

Just a thought...

You are not allowed to draw Muhammed. Vampires do not show up in photographs. Coincidence?

Mix Master Mikaeus

That one young Muslim in the crowd seems like a pretty cool dude. I'd totally hang out with him.