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Convinced atheists adhere to no concepts of good and bad, but make them up as they go along. To me, they're no different from machines! A bit like the gun which is capable of cold, mindless, killing - devoid of all consciousness of responsibility.

Mullah, C4forums 61 Comments [11/1/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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TDR

er... no, and no.

11/1/2006 5:00:49 PM

Matilde

Neither do Christians. According to them, they would kill and rape and lie if God didn´t tell them so. And I don´t see many atheist doing that, which is a step ahead.

11/1/2006 5:15:55 PM

Papabear

\"Convinced atheists adhere to no concepts of good and bad, but make them up as they go along.\"

No, I have a well-developed sense of right and wrong. Just because I don't take my ethics from the ancient fairy tales of ignorant, desert bumpkins, does not mean that I am without ethics.


\"To me, they're no different from machines!\"

Well then, you have a bit of growing up to do, don't you?


\"A bit like the gun which is capable of cold, mindless, killing - devoid of all consciousness of responsibility.\"

First, you confuse \"conscience\" with \"consciousness.\" Truly a rookie mistake.

Second, adhering to an ancient scripture for one's morality seems much more \"mindless\" and \"mechanical\" than formulating one's own ethics through experience and introspection.

11/1/2006 5:22:54 PM

Sandman

Actually, a thinking person does not necessarily need to rely on external behavioral controls and moral codes of conduct; they are quite capable of deciding on these things on their own.

And while some atheists may (and likely do) choose moral codes based on selfishness, personal gratification, and sociopathic self-involvement, how is that different from the huge numbers of Christians that seem to be interpreting their externally granted moral code to mean that hatred, bigotry, racism, and the wholesale murder of entire ethnicities is acceptable?

Anything can be twisted. At least the twisted atheists aren't blaming God for their being an asshole.

11/1/2006 5:45:12 PM

NotMe

Convinced christians had some nice ideas to.

Try Descartes, he had the idea that only humans had souls, therefore only humans had the ability to do things out of their own will, have feelings and knowledge of right and wrong. If only humans have those attributes, then how do animals work?

That's obvious. You can make machines that can do various tasks without a soul, therefore animals are just complicated machines. Do you know the consequences of that? They started operating on living conscious animals to see how they \"operated\", and that wailing and whining was just the machine reacting. They didn't have souls so they didn't feel anything.



Are you trying to get new test subjects for various medical research projects?

11/1/2006 5:48:56 PM

Brain_In_A_Jar

Making it up as you go along, ie not following a preset lot of rules, is pretty much the opposite of being a mindless machine - compare it to fundies, who just endlessly cycle through their holy punched cards to find out what to do next.

11/1/2006 6:11:57 PM

Hadanelith

\"no concepts of good and bad\"

Bullshit.

11/1/2006 6:12:56 PM

David D.G.

\"Convinced atheists adhere to no concepts of good and bad, but make them up as they go along. To me, they're no different from machines! A bit like the gun which is capable of cold, mindless, killing - devoid of all consciousness of responsibility.\"

You say atheists, but you seem to be describing religious fundamentalists, whose idea of \"right and wrong\" varies wildly depending on what biblical verse is quoted (i.e., depending on God's mood that day) and whether a particular move is supported by the \"right\" political party -- all interpreted by preachers who are inherently part of a corrupt system, and who often are personally corrupt themselves.

Thanks, but my moral compass works just fine without some preacher distorting it with his magnetic personality.


~David D.G.

11/1/2006 6:18:21 PM

Denizen

Confusing Atheism with sociopathy. Typical.

11/1/2006 6:25:41 PM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

I suspect that people who think this way are true criminals who only manage to stay out of trouble because they fear punishment in hell or hope for a reward in heaven - either way, not moral.

11/1/2006 6:42:51 PM

Onyx

But when you're a Christian, all you have to say is I'm sorry, and you're off the hook.

11/1/2006 6:49:17 PM

anevilmeme

thanks for playing

11/1/2006 8:52:00 PM

Adrian

Try meeting some real atheists, not just your strawmen...

11/1/2006 9:05:48 PM

Mister Spak

\"Convinced theists adhere to no concepts of true and false, but make them up as they go along. To me, they're no different from machines! A bit like the computer which is capable of cranking out endless amounts of garbage - devoid of all consciousness of reality.\"

Fixed.

11/1/2006 9:18:09 PM

Jerod T.

Hey, we're all Terminators!

\"Have you seen this boy?\"

~Jerod T.

11/1/2006 9:42:32 PM

Old Viking

Life's ultimate irony: observations on morality from a fundie.

11/1/2006 11:20:10 PM

Distind

What's funny here is it drives me nuts that some people need to be told most so called morals are wrong.

I operate on the \"Hey, it'd suck if someone did it to me\" principle. It works better than, \"This old book says so\" given that it can actually be reproduced and tends to fit the individual.

However, I do not recomend ever saying you live this way to something cute and sadistic, I can say from experience with such things that it is the moral thing to do, because it really sucked when no one told me that.

11/1/2006 11:38:46 PM

Archangel_Lucifer

This guy obviously wouldn't like transhumanists like me very much.

11/2/2006 12:16:29 AM

Sasquatch

It found a voice...Now it needs a body

11/2/2006 2:11:08 AM

Julian

To me, they're no different from machines!

Well aren't you the dumb one!

11/2/2006 2:21:55 AM

Redhunter

Convinced atheists adhere to no concepts of good and bad, but make them up as they go along.


Well you are 'convinced' wrong. You claim the moral high ground and refer to a whole group of people as less then human.

To me, they're no different from machines! A bit like the gun which is capable of cold, mindless, killing - devoid of all consciousness of responsibility.


So we are just 'tools' to be used by someone else to kill with? You fail analogy 101.

11/2/2006 7:02:45 AM

Wolf O'Donnell (SWHQ)

So what? We're Cybermen now?

11/2/2006 11:32:20 AM

[url=http://www.hubforums.com]DCoke[/url]

Well, I agree with him to a point (no, I'm not Christian but an atheist; don't cry). But he's still an idiot.

Most atheists do believe in some sort of morality and ethics which includes not killing.

Calling us machines make you feel better about us being smarter than you?

11/2/2006 3:54:30 PM

TheDivineAdam

why is it every fundie assumes an atheist has no morals?

11/7/2006 6:28:01 PM

John

When people were questioned about their moral principles, no difference was found between atheists, christians, buddhists or any other religious group. People seem to have the same ideas of moral behavior regardless of their religion or lack of it. There's an ongoing online study that people are invited to participate in at Harvard Moral Sense Test.

Another study seemed to show that there was actually a reverse correlation between religion and moral behavior.

So Mullah is wrong.

11/8/2006 2:25:57 AM

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