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Atheism briefly gained some traction in the previous decade by plying the gullible with a world where they'd be free to indulge their vices with impunity. Their gains evaporated when even the less astute realized it was also a world without accumulated knowledge, electricity, or indoor plumbing.

Having cataloged so much of it lately, I'm tempted to cite internet atheists' sheer absurdity as a proof for God.

Brian Niemeier, Kairos 14 Comments [4/11/2019 3:52:42 PM]
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Thinking Allowed

Yet atheism is the fastest growing non-christian spiritual group in the U.S.A.

4/11/2019 5:47:57 PM

Churchy LaFemme

Are you seriously claiming that accumulated knowledge, electricity and indoor plumbing are religious/Christian in origin?


4/11/2019 5:52:44 PM

Kanna

This is childish name-calling, nothing more. You do realize, I hope, that by so doing you haven't actually said anything in favor of your religion.

4/11/2019 8:40:45 PM

Chloe

How is it a world without accumulated knowledge, electricity or indoor plumbing? Europe still has those things.

4/11/2019 9:23:50 PM

DarkPhoenix

Are you seriously claiming that accumulated knowledge, electricity and indoor plumbing are religious/Christian in origin?


Wouldn't surprise me if Brian was a presuppositionalist. If that's the case, then yes; presuppositionalism says that unless you're a follower of Calvanist Christianity, you by definition CANNOT KNOW ANYTHING.

4/11/2019 9:32:44 PM

Anon-e-moose

Jonathan Edwards.

Your move, Bri.

4/11/2019 9:40:07 PM

Kuno

Does he think that accumulated knowledge would disappear if more people became atheists?

4/12/2019 12:14:05 AM

Swede

Where's the gullibility in the lack of evidence for gods? And, that "brief traction" is still ongoing; more and more people find it's religion that holds the gullibility.

Funnily enough it's seldom (if ever) to "be free to indulge their vices with impunity" that matters for atheist, we generally manage to behave decently without the fear of a Sky-Bully.



Whut? An evidence-based world is a world without accumulated knowledge, electricity, or indoor plumbing. Is the sky green in your world, Bri-Bri?
In Sweden, about 75 percent of the population is non-religious. We have lots and lots and lots of accumulated knowledge (e.g. the Nobel Prize), and electricity, and indoor plumbing. Not to mention most of us have Internet on optic fiber.

4/12/2019 12:53:49 AM

Zinnia

I checked the conversation on the page in question. It seems like he's arguing that "we cannot know anything for certain" is a self defeating argument, implying that you can say anything about anything and it can't be meaningfully wrong. Meanwhile everyone else is arguing that no, that's not what it implies, it implies that one should be cautious about making claims which are very hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt... and sometimes, "correctness" has to default to popular opinion, because we currently have nothing better. (I could be wrong here; it gets heavily philosophical, and philosophy isn't my strong point.) He declares this position absurd, and because the (presumably) atheist philosophers he's arguing with defend this position, all atheists are absurd, and therefore other stuff which has a big fat "citation needed".

4/12/2019 2:09:20 AM

Indicible

Atheism has been around for longer than christianity (Euripides, Epicurus). And we have been far less trigger happy than christians over the centuries. At least we do not have the destruction of whole civilisations to answer for.

4/12/2019 2:22:37 AM



"I'm tempted to cite internet atheists' sheer absurdity as a proof for God."

Finally after 100 years you've caught up with atheists.
We cite superstitionists sheer absurdity as proof of no god, and only now have you looked in a mirror.

"a world without accumulated knowledge,"

Would you be referring to those fossils we use to win?

4/12/2019 5:16:30 AM

Doubting Thomas

Atheism briefly gained some traction in the previous decade by plying the gullible with a world where they'd be free to indulge their vices with impunity. Their gains evaporated


Atheism is the fastest growing "religious" group these days, while Christianity is shrinking. But feel free to believe that we're a small, powerless part of the population. And nobody has ever thought, "I'm going to become an atheist so I can do whatever I want." That's a strawman you Christians have invented. I personally have not only remained a good person since giving up religion, but I've actually become a better person in that I'm more tolerant, compassionate, and empathetic toward others.

when even the less astute realized it was also a world without accumulated knowledge, electricity, or indoor plumbing.


WTF are you talking about? Atheists tend to trust science which is taking us to the stars while Christians are the ones arguing for creationism, a 6,000-year-old earth, and in some cases, a flat earth. They are the ones trying to hinder knowledge by constantly demonizing higher education.

4/12/2019 6:18:29 AM

Malingspann

Atheism briefly gained some traction in the previous decade by plying the gullible with a world where they'd be free to indulge their vices with impunity. Their gains evaporated when even the less astute realized it was also a world without accumulated knowledge, electricity, or indoor plumbing.


Fact checker, fact checker, find me some facts!

I can't keep up, I can't relax!

I thought that facts that you fictionalize were called something else, like lies!

4/12/2019 8:04:36 AM

Sasha

If you want to eliminate knowledge, electricity, and indoor plumbing, you just have to look to the Dark Ages in Europe, when Christianity ruled with an iron fist.

4/14/2019 5:11:07 PM

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