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The biggest problem is the conception of the modern nation state which basically encourages individualism as it destroys the local communities and families to make the state stronger.

Secularism is basically nothing but worshipping the state. Western interpretation of secularism is that you separate the state and religion in order to make the state the religion. Whenever someone supports secularism, it's always from the position of the state in the sense that the state should not be influenced by religion (but no one says anything when state ideology tries to influence religion, pushing certain degenerate ideological trends into religion like pro-LGBT "Christian" "churches" etc.).

Modern state = powerful elite, powerful institutions, extreme legalism and extreme individualism. And on top of it, you're supposed to worship it, wave the flag, be a loyal servant, never question the institutions and procedures of the state etc.

Teutonic Knight, incels.co 8 Comments [4/11/2019 8:46:27 AM]
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" you're supposed to worship it, wave the flag, be a loyal servant, never question the institutions and procedures of the state etc."

You only have a hammer so everything looks like a nail to you.

4/11/2019 9:19:33 AM

Kanna

That's the whole point of secularism, of atheism: we don't "worship" anything. We admire governments when they work toward the good of others, and we endeavor to correct them when they do not.

4/11/2019 11:54:12 AM

KingOfRhye

Wait a minute....how are "extreme individualism" and being a "loyal servant" who "never questions the state" supposed to coexist?

4/11/2019 4:59:16 PM

Anon-e-moose

So you lot won't be needing your state-supplied 'NEETbux' then...?!

(*Crickets chirp*)

...thought as much.

4/11/2019 6:20:04 PM

Chloe

None of this is true. I've read How The French Think and they still have pride in their town/province, complete with celebrations.

Individualism is more of an American thing and that's because we tend to be more spread out historically moved as small communities/families westward. A lot of the country is urbanizing.

4/11/2019 9:28:23 PM

Zinnia

I think you're defining "secularism" as a weird mashup of humanism and nationalism, which ultimately bears little resemblance to how most people use any of those words.

4/12/2019 2:18:56 AM

Doubting Thomas

Secularism is basically nothing but worshipping the state.


No, it's not. It's having a nation which isn't based upon any religion.

Whenever someone supports secularism, it's always from the position of the state in the sense that the state should not be influenced by religion (but no one says anything when state ideology tries to influence religion, pushing certain degenerate ideological trends into religion like pro-LGBT "Christian" "churches" etc.).


Well I don't think that the state should be regulating church doctrine, either. And they're not. Nobody's pushing pro-LGBTQ beliefs into churches, because all churches are allowed to be just as intolerant as they were before, or as inclusive as they were before. You are mistaking society (members of which who belong to churches) becoming more tolerant with government enforcement of tolerance.

4/12/2019 6:28:10 AM

Swede

Secularism is the LACK of worship, nitwit. Western interpretation is rather to completely ignore religion, seeing religion as a personal matter for people to handle privately. The state is the foundation, it's were we decide things that concern us all, like roads, railways, optic fibers, laws, public welfare, education, etc.

As LGBT people are born to Christians, they are already "inside" religion from birth. And, it's hardly a trend, they are simply born that way. The Jesus-approved values of empathy and tolerance might be a trend though, but giving them up would certainly be degenerate.

Powerful elite - Like Donald Trump, the Koch Brothers, the DeVos hag?
Powerful institutions - Lobby organizations?
Extreme legalism? What do you mean by that?
Extreme individualism - insurance-based healthcare instead of universal healthcare, capitalism instead of socialism?

In my experience, it's usually the fundies that want people to wave flags, worships stuff, be loyal and obedient, never question authority, etc.


4/13/2019 6:13:46 AM

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