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[Serious] Secular humanism is one of the main reasons why this society hates incels

I will continue with the analysis of the modern West and why it is so hateful towards the incels.

The secular humanist mentality that is prevalent in the West is that humans are masters of their own destiny and if you do something wrong, you need to find a solution and fix it. This is the mentality of the modern Western society and it is from this position that incels are judged in the sense that you need to stop complaining and find solutions, usually followed by either a some generic useless advice (just do this, just do that) or straight ridicule.

Once you examine secular humanism a bit more, you realize that it comes from arrogance. In reality, human beings are not in control of everything and never will be.

To illustrate the difference between the Western secular humanist mentality and non-Western non-secularist religious mentality: I remember an interview with some European jihadi fighter who said that American soldiers get PTSD from wars while the true religious Muslim soldiers don't suffer from it because from a religious viewpoint, if you tried to do something with good intentions then you shouldn't feel guilty about yourself even if you came up short. On the other hand, the Western man, under the influence of the secular humanist mentality, will start blaming himself for his mistakes and his position in life. A Western secularistic atheist soldier who came out of cruel war will inevitably start blaming himself that he went through bloodshed and traumatic events, while a religious soldiers like medieval crusaders would see it as God's divine providence (a doctrine which asserts that God is in complete control of all things) and God's will. This is also the reason while medieval Christian soldiers were so much mentally tougher than the modern Western soldiers, the Christian warriors of the past went through gruesome medieval battles yet remained sane and found strength in religion, but these modern NATO soldiers seem broken. On the other hand, when you look at the religious jihadis today, like the Taliban for example, they have amazing will power and faith in what they're doing.

Now, I don't want to turn this into an argument about religion as such. You might say that religion is a cope, but you even from this perspective you can probably see it as a good cope for those who believe in it.

Either way, the more important thing is to understand how this reflects on social level, because this is what is the most relevant for us.

For the Western secularist society and in the eyes of secular humanism, you (as individuals) are the root of your own problems. The West doesn't believe in things like God's providence and at the same time it believes that the modern West is a wonderful progressive society. So in their eyes, who could be blamed for your problems but you yourselves as individuals?

Western secularism is a very peculiar ideology because while it technically stands only for separation of state and religion, it does this from the position that the state is superior to religion, thus making the State the new religion. You can observe this easily, whenever people point out that state and religion should be separated, the latter is seen as negative, while the state is never questioned. They basically mean that the state should be protected from religion and not the other way around (Western secularists, for example, don't have a problem when state institutions start meddling into "backward" religions and punish religious people for "hate speech" and things like that - where is the separation here?).

Western secularism worships the state, its institutions, its ideological norms (muh freedom, muh equality), its laws. It also worships progress and science and this material world the West created. Secular humanism is basically the key mindset behind it, as it believes that through these instruments, an ideal rationalistic society will eventually be implemented, or at least, we will get as close to is as possible. They believe that we're on our way there.

So whenever you, as a man, complain in the West that something is wrong not because of you and your individual failures but because of some factors out of your control - yet alone if you directly blame the state and society for it, like many incels do - the Western society doesn't want to hear it. The position of Western secularist ideology is: "We (as in, our state with its institutions) gave you this wonderful progressive society with freedom and equality, if you can't make it, then YOU are the problem because YOU didn't work hard enough for it." That's why this society is so aggressive towards incels because the incels question the fundamentals of this secularist state-worship and institution-worship.

The only people who can complain in the West are groups that do it in the context of the ruling ideology of "freedom" and "progress" like the feminist women, LGBT, "minorities" etc. because they argue that their problems will eventually be solved as we become more "progressive". They don't blame the modern society as such, but rather say that this society isn't modern enough. So they fit in the narrative and strengthen the secularist state.

But when incels blame the society for the problems, this is where the secularist West doesn't want to hear it. The West doesn't want to give legitimacy to a group of men that blame things that are out of their control for their problems because then it would give up on its own legitimacy. So this is why, at first, the Western society tried to respond to incel problem by trying to help (this is how the inceldom first started to be discussed in the 90s) and when they saw that they couldn't do anything to solve it, they started ridiculing it and mocking it and at the same time trying to repress it (we're in this stage now in the 2010s).

A response of a non-Western, non-secularist traditional religious society to the incel situation would be very different. In a traditional religious society, people in incel position (those who can't find wives) would be seen as the less fortunate. They wouldn't be blamed for their problems, or at least no exclusively. For example Catholic Church always gave advice to people who couldn't marry (who were basically 'incels') to accept celibacy as a blessing (basically they should become 'volcels'). Again, I'm aware that many of you wouldn't like such advice either, but the key difference is that in a religious society, you wouldn't be personally blamed for your inceldom and you wouldn't be ridiculed or attacked for it. It would be seen as God's divine providence and something outside of your control. IMO this would be a much better position than being seen as an evil outcast.

I think the main reason why many of us are so resentful of this modern society is because of this BS secular-humanist-like advice of "find solutions and fix it" and "it is your own fault" type of mentality which inevitable leads to mockery and attack on basic human dignity ("no woman likes incels because they're evil/losers/lazy/have bad personality"). In reality, love and relationships in this modern dating world are a perfect example of something that is not in your own control. You can't force people to like you, it's as simple like that. If there is one thing you can't possibly have any control over, it's this. It's basically in God's hands - if you're religious. And if you're not religious then you can explain it by losing the genetic lottery. It all comes down to similar things, basically - it was something out of your control.

Like I said, whether you're religious or atheistic is not really relevant here. The modern West is not atheist but rather "pagan" because it worships this idols like the secularist state and its ideology. So even if you're an atheist, you should have a problem with this. The Westerners are really fanatical in their modern 'paganism', and that's why they don't want to accept that a group of men (the incels) has it so bad in their wonderful modern society that they worship like some pagan idol-worshipers.

Teutonic Knight, incels.is 18 Comments [3/12/2019 4:03:50 PM]
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Nemo

No, you probably wouldn't be blamed for not having a partner. If you constantly whined about lacking a partner, people would quickly lose patience, regardless of era.

3/12/2019 5:14:58 PM

fromdownunder

This is also the reason while medieval Christian soldiers were so much mentally tougher than the modern Western soldiers, the Christian warriors of the past went through gruesome medieval battles yet remained sane and found strength in religion...


And you know this because...?

Norm

3/12/2019 6:13:48 PM

Anon-e-moose

it worships this idols


Have you given Slepp the Idol your bones...?! [/Barshens]

3/12/2019 6:22:13 PM

K

Most of the West doesn't know you exist. The Hatred you feel is your invention, because you need to justify your hatred of tge society you think has wronged you, when mostly you're just ignored.

3/12/2019 7:07:04 PM

Kanna

"We are the outcasts of society, and it must be society's fault because it can't possibly be our own fault".

3/12/2019 8:00:05 PM

WhiteNoise

As a guy who lives in a quite religious country, I can assure you that religious people hate incels too.

3/12/2019 9:23:59 PM

K'Zad Bhat

I gave up reading when he made the claim that humans are not in complete control, and never will be.

Well, no shit dumb fuck. We don't control every aspect of the universe. Religious assholes use this fact to claim there must be a God who controls the rest . . . and that is arrogance. "I don't control it, so an all-powerful Cosmic Lord must do so." Never a matter of natural forces utilizing a great deal more energy than we can harness, because it utilizes a great deal more mass than your tiny mind can comprehend.

Volcanoes don't erupt because the Fire God willed it so, or is angry he didn't get the sacrifices he demands. Rather they erupt because of movements within the Earth's core, mantle, and even crust that humans cannot predict with our current knowledge, that vastly increase pressure in a section of the Earth far larger than we could ever manipulate, though still only a tiny fraction of its mass, until finally all that pressure finds an escape through one tiny opening . . . the fucking volcano on top.

And you can't get laid because as soon as you open your mouth, you tell the woman who just smiled at you that she's a whore and she's lucky to get your dick. You now what? What you just told her is in your control, utterly and completely. Keep your mouth shut, and you might start seeing different results.

3/12/2019 10:09:49 PM

Chloe

Have you been to the US? We're pretty religious (by Western standards) and we're huge on rugged individualism. I don't think anyone calls us mentally strong though.

3/12/2019 11:24:57 PM

Malingspann

Slepp the Idol


Language trivia: in Norwegian, 'slepp' is the imperative 'let go'.

So to me, "Slepp the Idol" looks like "Let go of the idol".

3/13/2019 2:46:33 AM



"I will continue with the analysis"

It's like a 3-year-old playing scientist.

3/13/2019 3:48:58 AM

...What.

Every time an Incel whines like that not-even-pseudo-scientific tripe, all I hear is Darkseid's less know cousin, Inceid, going "The Anti-Love Equation justifies my hate !"

3/13/2019 7:02:39 AM

Doubting Thomas

The secular humanist mentality that is prevalent in the West


Seriously? If only it was prevalent. We still have a majority of people who think God is controlling everything.

humans are masters of their own destiny and if you do something wrong, you need to find a solution and fix it.


Not exactly what secular humanism is about, but what's wrong with this idea? It's up to humans to solve human problems and not rely on stupid things that don't work like prayer.

it is from this position that incels are judged in the sense that you need to stop complaining and find solutions


This is literally the only thing that's ever going to solve the problem of your loneliness. How has whining on the internet helped?

I think the main reason why many of us are so resentful of this modern society is because of this BS secular-humanist-like advice of "find solutions and fix it" and "it is your own fault" type of mentality


Again, this is the only thing that's going to solve your problems. Sitting around whining and moping has never helped anyone, ever.

which inevitable leads to mockery and attack on basic human dignity ("no woman likes incels because they're evil/losers/lazy/have bad personality").


The mockery comes from you incels continuing to complain about your situation while refusing to do anything at all to change it. And you just don't want to see that it is your personalities and not your looks which drive women away.

You can't force people to like you, it's as simple like that.


No, you can't, but you can make yourself more likable. All this "foid" talk and Elliot Rodger worship isn't going to help you in that direction.

3/13/2019 7:13:58 AM



" The Westerners are really fanatical in their modern 'paganism', and that's why they don't want to accept that a group of men (the incels) has it so bad in their wonderful modern society that they worship like some pagan idol-worshipers."

But incels are really fanatical about their incelness and they worship it like some pagan idol-worshippers. They don't want to accept that they are superstitious primitives enraged about how the Chad tribe is running off with all their Stacies.

3/13/2019 8:35:15 AM

Hasan Prishtina

in a religious society, you wouldn't be personally blamed for your inceldom and you wouldn't be ridiculed or attacked for it.

Depends on the religion. Traditional Muslim and Jewish ideas about people who don’t marry are sometimes rather unkind. Even in societies where marriages are arranged, someone who blames society while doing nothing to address their own shortcomings would hardly be seen as desirable.

I think the main reason why many of us are so resentful of this modern society is because of this BS secular-humanist-like advice of "find solutions and fix it" and "it is your own fault" type of mentality

...as opposed to the idea that “God helps those that help themselves.”

You can't force people to like you, it's as simple like that.

Nevertheless, as Mighty Sparrow sang,

“Dress up in the latest style,
Always wear a charming smile,
Some boonoomoonoo
Bound to say ‘I do’”

3/13/2019 8:36:54 PM

Anon-e-moose

@Malingspann

in Norwegian, 'slepp' is the imperative 'let go'.

So to me, "Slepp the Idol" looks like "Let go of the idol"


Well, how else do you give him your bones...?! X3

As I suspect by this quote, before Teutonic Shite can do the same, there's the little matter - in more ways than one - of the one he has one hand on while he typed this.

Let it go.

3/14/2019 8:06:13 AM

Swede

Mostly, the West doesn't know you exist, and if parts of it does, it is rather ignoring you than hating you, dolt.

The Secular Humanism is on the retreat, right now there is a wave of religious misogyny, toxic masculinity and Nazi/fascism moving across the West. Women's rights and other human rights are threatened from many angles.

OF COURSE you need to stop whining and find a solution if something is wrong. Sitting around moping isn't going to fix any problems.
No, humans are not in control of EVERYTHING. But we are in control of our actions and reactions, and our attitudes.

The Medieval Christian soldiers usually didn't go THROUGH the battles, they died there, or rather of dysentery between battles.

With factors outside your control, you just have to work with those factors, and make the best of the situation. You can't control the weather, so we have invented umbrellas and rain-coats and wellington boots. You can't control diseases, so we have invented Universal healthcare.

Many incels like to pretend that it's not their blatant misogyny and lousy attitude towards women that turn women away from them, but instead blames society for women acquiring some of the rights and freedoms that men take for granted.
No, society despise you for not working hard enough for your goal. Most other people manage fairly well to work hard for THEIR goals. Why should you get a free pass?

The ruling "ideology" is still based on Straight White Men, and all the groups you mention are fighting to get closer to the center, to get a piece of the rights that you SWM's have, and that the rest of us can only dream of.
We solve those problems by MAKING society more progressive, nitwit! We don't sit around waiting for society to throw fried quails into our mouths. We ARE Modern Society, dolt; we make it happen.

In a less progressive, harsher society, people who can't find wives would be seen as unstable, threatening, damaged goods. You would NOT be allowed near their precious daughters, who could do SO much better, attract much more suitable suitors.
And yeah, the Catholic Church has pushed a lot of undesirables to join the "cloth" and become monks and nuns.

Do YOU respect the basic human dignity of women, Tetty? Or would you mock and/or attack their fight for equal rights?

Sure, you can't force people to like you, but you can make yourself more likable. If you want to make women like you, a first thing to do is to like women, be interested in them as individuals. Notice I said "to like women", not "pretend to like women". Women are going to pick up on that phony instantly. It has nothing to do with genetics and everything to do with social skills.

We don't worship the secularist state, nincompoop. We are the creators of the state, it ought to worship us.

There are many other groups that have it even worse than you spoiled whiny little man-boys. There are people born with such severe developmental challenges that they will never be able to feed themselves, walk, talk, sit up without support, perhaps even breathe on their own. There are women with serous damage from giving birth, that they've lost control of both bowel and bladder, and can't lift their own child. There are people who are so allergic that they practically have to live in a clean room, or they'll die of anaphylactic shock, if someone even opens a bag of peanuts in their vicinity. We have much bigger problems to solve than a small bunch of man-babies whining that they hate women and want to have sex.

3/14/2019 10:05:53 AM

AsimovLives

Another incel who prives himself to be a pathetic pussy of the highest order. Like that's some big mystery!

3/15/2019 5:28:40 PM

malesub

Hey incels, listen, I love me some sadist women and man-haters(TM) <3 So please keep your paws away from them or I will spell some magic puffpuff that converts incels into gay-frogs.

Thus, being into man-haters, sadist women is a prove for my own consciousness - and such - independence from any natural "incel" law. Having my own tastes and kinks makes me an individual in the first place, in it's own mental lair! :3

3/15/2019 8:56:47 PM

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