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If I were the last man on the planet to think so, I would want the honor of saying no woman should go before me into combat to defend my country. A man who endorses women in combat is not pro-woman; he’s a wimp. He should be ashamed. For most of history, in most cultures, he would have been utterly scorned as a coward to promote such an idea. Part of the meaning of manhood as God created us is the sense of responsibility for the safety and welfare of our women.

Back in the seventies, when I taught in college, feminism was new and cool. So my ideas on manhood were viewed as the social construct of a dying chauvinistic era. I had not yet been enlightened that competencies, not divine wiring, governed the roles we assume. Unfazed, I said no.

What Real Men Do

Suppose, I said, a couple of you students, Jason and Sarah, were walking to McDonald’s after dark. And suppose a man with a knife jumped out of the bushes and threatened you. And suppose Jason knows that Sarah has a black belt in karate and could probably disarm the assailant better than he could. Should he step back and tell her to do it? No. He should step in front of her and be ready to lay down his life to protect her, irrespective of competency. It is written on his soul. That is what manhood does.

And collectively that is what society does — unless the men have all been emasculated by the suicidal songs of egalitarian folly. God created man first in order to say that man bears a primary burden for protection, provision, and leadership. And when man and woman rebelled against God’s ways, God came to the garden and said, Adam, where are you? (Genesis 3:9), not Eve, where are you? And when the apostle described the implications of being created male and female, the pattern he celebrates is: Save her, nourish her, cherish her, give her life (Ephesians 5:25–29).

God wrote manhood and womanhood on our hearts. Sin ruins the imprint without totally defacing it. It tells men to be heavy handed oafs or passive wimps. It tells women to be coquettes or controllers. That is not God’s imprint. Deeper down men and women know it.

John Piper, Desiring God 19 Comments [3/12/2019 4:03:11 PM]
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What if a woman wants to go into combat and defend her country?

3/12/2019 6:26:58 PM

K

I support women in combat, on warships, in jets...
How wimpy am i?
Keep in mind i was in uniform for 20 years. I served during Grenada, Nicaragua, Desert Storm...
Married another sailor from my second command.
How long did you serve, Piper?

3/12/2019 7:04:26 PM

Thinking Allowed

Back in the seventies, when I taught in college,...


I bet it was some bible college. Feminism has been around a lot longer than the 1970s.

3/12/2019 7:09:45 PM

Kanna

Women are not supposed to be coquettes. But women are not supposed to be responsible adults either, taking care of their own problems? Tell me, John, have you ever spoken to any women? No, scratch that ...have you ever LISTENED to any women?

3/12/2019 8:08:51 PM

Anon-e-moose











If I can sleep safe at night, secure - in more ways than one - that Britain's seas & skies are being defended by the above, why do you feel so threatened if you're the 'man' you claim to be...?!

3/12/2019 9:25:43 PM

K'Zad Bhat

A man who endorses women in combat is not pro-woman; he’s a wimp. He should be ashamed. For most of history, in most cultures, he would have been utterly scorned as a coward to promote such an idea.


At least he did say most cultures. That might even be true. Now, let's talk about the Celts, where men and women fought together all over Western Europe. Naked, by the way. This group damn near destroyed the Kingdom of Rome, before it ever became an Empire. The Celts are the primary constituents of Scotland, who kept Scotland free from most invaders, and the only time they've been successfully conquered lasted only part of a generation before English rule broke down. While everyone else in the British Isles and Western Europe was worried about Norsemen on viking raids, the Danes came to Scotland pretty much strictly for recruitment, and gave up on conquest.

I'm betting plenty more cultures with women as warriors can be named, because they've existed around the world. Don't give me that bullshit.

Suppose, I said, a couple of you students, Jason and Sarah, were walking to McDonald’s after dark. And suppose a man with a knife jumped out of the bushes and threatened you. And suppose Jason knows that Sarah has a black belt in karate and could probably disarm the assailant better than he could. Should he step back and tell her to do it? No. He should step in front of her and be ready to lay down his life to protect her, irrespective of competency. It is written on his soul. That is what manhood does.


Does Jason have any training in hand to hand combat at all? No? Stay out of the way of the woman who does, otherwise he gets hurt, and only makes Sarah's job even harder. If he does? Best thing is to work with Sarah, rather than on her behalf, so both can subdue the attacker together. Two people with basic competency in disarmament and disabling combat techniques are more likely to take down an assailant than one person with more training, especially if they have specific training in working as a team to do so. Why do you think police, who have often at most a few weeks of actual training, do such a good job of taking down a guy with a knife? That's what they trained to do!

Just because your one little group of goatherds said their women were weak and needed protection doesn't mean everyone else's women are. It doesn't even mean those goatherds' women were. In fact, your own Bible contradicts you. How many of the Judges were women? How often did a king of Israel/Judah need saving by his wife?

3/12/2019 10:02:29 PM



Deeper down you know you're full of shit.

3/13/2019 3:59:35 AM


3/13/2019 6:46:11 AM

Doubting Thomas

Suppose, I said, a couple of you students, Jason and Sarah, were walking to McDonald’s after dark. And suppose a man with a knife jumped out of the bushes and threatened you. And suppose Jason knows that Sarah has a black belt in karate and could probably disarm the assailant better than he could. Should he step back and tell her to do it? No. He should step in front of her and be ready to lay down his life to protect her, irrespective of competency. It is written on his soul. That is what manhood does.


So, apparently "manhood" gets people killed for no good reason. And they say there's no such thing as toxic masculinity.

3/13/2019 7:39:51 AM

Pharaoh Bastethotep

You outright say that a man must sacrifice himself for a woman EVEN IF SHE IS BETTER EQUIPPED TO HANDLE THE SITUATION because "that's how things are supposed to be"! How can you believe such self-evidently irrational idiocy? What the hell is wrong with you?!?

3/13/2019 2:35:10 PM

Swede

A man who doesn't endorse women in combat is more archaic than the Vikings. Quite a few of the skeletons that have hitherto been seen as male skeletons, just by the weapons around them, have been discovered to be women, by studying the actual skeletons.

I'd rather say that a man who fail to endorse women in combat is the WIMP! If he has to "prove" something about himself to the world around him, and by doing so, excluding women automatically, it clearly shows that he doesn't think he's able to compete with women. WIIIIIMP!

You worked in the seventies, and you failed to grasp the Enlightenment? Had you been asleep for some two-hundred-years?

Real men applaud real women, of course. Real men are able to support and be happy for women who are successful in life.
Only WEAK men are threatened by successful women.

Here's a radical idea; why don't Jason AND Sarah move towards the attacker, TOGETHER?
Two people, regardless of genders, are probably stronger than one single person.

God might have created man first in order to make a sketch. When she saw that it was functional, she made the Real Human, i.e. the woman, with quite a few enhancements...

Why is it "emasculating" to cooperate, dolt? Without cooperation, the Homo genus would probably have died out a million years ago.

3/13/2019 3:34:06 PM

BLAMigator

@Johnny Pipe-dreams:
Suppose, I said, a couple of you students, Jason and Sarah, were walking to McDonald’s after dark. And suppose a man with a knife jumped out of the bushes and threatened you. And suppose Jason knows that Sarah has a black belt in karate and could probably disarm the assailant better than he could. Should he step back and tell her to do it?


YES!

You let her kick that guy's ass and then go home and have all the adrenaline-fueled sex you can get because that is so fucking hot! Who cares about your fragile masculinity when there's an Amazon in your midst willing to fight to protect you?[/AmazonChaser mode]

Oh... oh, yeah... and not dying, yeah... that's also important, I guess.

3/13/2019 3:58:25 PM

Dizzy Dream

You do realise that in pre-Christian Ireland, it was the women who trained the men to fight don't you.

3/13/2019 4:12:44 PM

SpukiKitty

@ Doubting Thomas, Pharaoh Bastethotep, Swede, BLAMigator, Dizzy Dream

YES! THIS!

John Pippy P. Poopypants is just jealous of Sarah's awesomeness!

John Pooperhead also hasn't read his own fave book of Scripture....


3/13/2019 4:43:15 PM

Timjer

@BLAMigator

Glad to see I'm not the only one here attracted to amazonian women. Yeah, I love powerful (both physically and mentally) women who can kick my ass (but never would(*)), even though that's a very low bar I'm setting...

(*)Part of what I like about it is the trust associated. Knowing she can overpower me but never would because of our love.

3/14/2019 1:52:47 AM

KingOfRhye

Of what use is Jason's "manhood" going to be to him when he's lying there in the alley bleeding out from stab wounds?

3/14/2019 5:30:56 AM

K

@KingOfRhye

Well, that's the definition of Piper's 'manhood.'
He'd rather die than have a woman see him as less manly than she is.

3/14/2019 5:53:20 AM



And what do you say to Jason stepping in front to keep the mugger's attention off Sarah playing exactly off your expectations and keeps them talking while she maneuvers to their blind spot with the intent of breaking most of their bones with the opening strike?

Also what do you do if it isn't a man with a knife, but a woman? Did you consider that violence isn't the sole province of men? How does that proclamation of yours that no woman will go to war before you work out if the ones who declare war and put boots on the ground are women?

3/14/2019 6:12:20 AM

Someguy

Viking shield-maidens would like a word with this idiot.

Also, Jason should abso-fucking-lutely let Sarah handle it. Or rather. They should both gang up on the mugger's ass and kick the shit out of him. Or hand over their valuables. Those are the most practical solutions, in descending order.

Jason getting himself stabbed is not practical at all; and no amount of manly pride is worth dying for.

3/15/2019 4:29:32 PM

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